You dont have to have insurance, or even a drivers license for that matter
to own or operate a vehicle. You only need those things to operate them on
public property.
Theres no age restriction to own or operate a vehicle either, there is only
an age restriction to operate a vehicle in public.
Guns are already more restricted than vehicles
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
> Assuming all true, so what? It will never happen here. There may be
> incremental movement towards reasonable solutions but we will never be like
> the countries that greatly restrict ownership and access. It is baked into
> the DNA of our nation, for better or worse. So say the serenity prayer and
> go about your day.
>
> I think you should have to have liability insurance to own a gun. No
> insurance no gun. No insurance, no drive you car. No workers comp
> insurance, no employees. No tikee, no washee.
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 10:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other
> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have.
>
> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. Every
> gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
> background checks means no more private sales without a background check.
> Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks today when they
> should.
>
> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this
> means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to
> commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people
> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a
> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious.
> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands.
> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell
> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their
> firearm.
>
> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns
> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other
> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics
> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works
> everywhere else, it WILL work here.
>
> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if
> someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or
> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns
> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their
> guns back.
>
> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a
> good guy with a gun.
>
> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have
> access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more
> people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say
> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start
> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol
> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting
> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know
> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the
> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse
> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person
> firefight happening in church.
>
> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting rid
> of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns a
> personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all
> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be
> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?!
>
> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have
> the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and
> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for
> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun
> and I support that.
>
> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police
> officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost
> tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It
> may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps
> before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in
> preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards.
>
> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions,
> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun
> lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control
> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal
> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it.
>
> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the
> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to
> democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase
> supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to
> hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about
> science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading
> misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of God
> into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God,
> indoctrination...
>
> The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand
> up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still
> spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure
> election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger
> generation won't tolerate all the BS.
>
> Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long
> as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like, they
> are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you
> want them to do if you don't agree with their platform.
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving
>> supporters...
>> Fuck his press release...
>> These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week
>> Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the
>>> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun
>>> control.
>>>
>>> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be
>>> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions.
>>>
>>> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do
>>> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun
>>> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control.
>>>
>>> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and
>>> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians
>>> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass
>>> shootings only happen in America.
>>>
>>> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your
>>> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action!
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Figuratively inside the lines.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Color Within the Lines - Album by Oscar Ortega | Spotify]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...you mean outside the lines?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of
>>>> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do
>>>> compacted fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on
>>>> both sides so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot
>>>> sticky apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping
>>>> hot mix on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty
>>>> so he sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the
>>>> gravel empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally
>>>> they just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job
>>>> where he emptied his sprayer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying
>>>> down rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder
>>>> with the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the
>>>> year before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can
>>>> do it and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told
>>>> me to get off his work site or I would be arrested.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> but it's organic.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and
>>>> concrete are environmentally friendly”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of
>>>> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile
>>>> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no
>>>> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have
>>>> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And
>>>> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at
>>>> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke
>>>> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly,
>>>> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at
>>>> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at
>>>> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile.
>>>>
>>>> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone
>>>> else's, they want their government based on their current whim. Most of
>>>> their arguments break down after a little long term logic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not
>>>> push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a
>>>> fingerful of shit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the
>>>> (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board.
>>>> I registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.
>>>>
>>>> …..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with and
>>>> some others are absolutely insane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify
>>>> as libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
>>>> Bobert elected lol :-/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you want
>>>> a libertarian!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
>>>> to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
>>>> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone could
>>>> use some more grit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
>>>> affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in the
>>>> trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
>>>> he is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I try to
>>>> teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my
>>>> employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a noble
>>>> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. Look at
>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>>> reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
>>>> to advance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All
>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance abuse
>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are
>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>>> judgement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>>>> fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>>>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>>>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>>
>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
>>>> hour walk in the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Odd times....
>>>>
>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>>
>>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>>
>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families
>>>> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>>
>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her. Using the exact
>>>> same vernacular.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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