Re: [AFMUG] OT: Inept

[Steve Jones]

Covfefe

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Lewis Bergman]

I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo
thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me
wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.

I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We
had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver
carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition
to everything else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200
rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of
the fire power on a company level for either defense or attack. In
addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13
guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons
per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a total of 1100 rounds
standard. The company commander might throw in a couple of extra boxes per
platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100
rounds on the outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement.
Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and
nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point
is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100
rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we carried
about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer
to 1800 to 2000 rounds.

Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can
count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you are
counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever,
or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In
my experience, once the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by
everyone after the initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really
encourage people to hide more.

That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all
the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of
war aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by
sending people out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you
ran towards it because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing
for. Seems really low tech now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting
> dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and
> more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday
> when God government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on
> grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow
> and dont tell her about is a different story.
> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into
> the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat
> every day as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked
> up, it's like the world is ending tomorrow.
> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my
> pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the
> canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some
> common sense. But doing an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is
> grueling. I had to cut out halfway through. These people are crazy.
> I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm
> planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and
> shitposting for 2 weeks
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind China and S.
>> Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...
>>
>> On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are pretty much
>> in the dark.
>>
>> The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for coronavirus has
>> become something of a national scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you
>> compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South
>> Korea stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including
>> through innovative drive-through testing programs.
>>
>> Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the US, like New
>> Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go before we match South Korean
>> and Chinese testing levels.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has it bad.   The one
>> bright note I saw today was the director of the CDC getting put in a corner
>> to commit to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US.  No need to
>> actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary unless
>> someone fires him...
>>
>> On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic resp

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Adam Moffett]

Well you don't need any other supplies if you have enough ammo. If you 
run out of something you just go shoot your neighbor and take his 
stuff.  Ten thousand rounds /sounds/ like a lot, but it's not when you 
have 300,000,000 neighbors.





On 3/13/2020 8:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more 
ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't 
get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand 
rounds.


I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. 
We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the 
receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal 
in addition to everything else he had. The other two carried 100 
rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked with 
the a major part of the fire power on a company level for either 
defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box 
(100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 
300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 
rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander 
might throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have 
to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the 
outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works 
out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies 
home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is 
that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100 
rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we 
carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread 
around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.


Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you 
can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you 
are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst 
shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of 
warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot, a lot 
less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic. Seeing 
someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide more.


That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with 
all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, 
the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding 
the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you heard a 
bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant somebody found 
what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People
acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and
bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay
calm at least till Monday when God government let's me pick up the
rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol grip
for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is a
different story.
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside
unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be
wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. They're frantic.
The media has people so worked up, it's like the world is ending
tomorrow.
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill
my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to
see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some
people do have some common sense. But doing an annual shop in the
middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway
through. These people are crazy.
I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean
I'm planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite,
Jameson, and shitposting for 2 weeks

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind
China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs.
Emergency beds/breathers...

On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are
pretty much in the dark.

The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for
coronavirus has become something of a national scandal, and
it’s easy to see why when you compare the US testing rate to
that of other affected countries. South Korea stands out for
its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including through
innovative drive-through testing programs.

Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the
US, like New Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go
before we match South Korean 

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Carl Peterson]

Depends on the rounds.  For awhile I was stuck with an M249 (I was aviation
so that was an extra crap assignment vs a 9 mil or M16) and we carried 800
rounds.  Same 5.56 as an M16, just on a belt in a cartridge.

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the money on
some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in the event that
they need help.  WWJD

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:58 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo
> thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me
> wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.
>
> I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We
> had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver
> carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition
> to everything else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200
> rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of
> the fire power on a company level for either defense or attack. In
> addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13
> guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons
> per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a total of 1100 rounds
> standard. The company commander might throw in a couple of extra boxes per
> platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100
> rounds on the outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement.
> Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and
> nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point
> is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100
> rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we carried
> about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer
> to 1800 to 2000 rounds.
>
> Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can
> count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you are
> counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever,
> or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In
> my experience, once the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by
> everyone after the initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really
> encourage people to hide more.
>
> That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all
> the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of
> war aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by
> sending people out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you
> ran towards it because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing
> for. Seems really low tech now.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting
>> dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and
>> more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday
>> when God government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on
>> grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow
>> and dont tell her about is a different story.
>> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into
>> the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat
>> every day as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked
>> up, it's like the world is ending tomorrow.
>> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my
>> pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the
>> canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some
>> common sense. But doing an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is
>> grueling. I had to cut out halfway through. These people are crazy.
>> I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm
>> planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and
>> shitposting for 2 weeks
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind China and S.
>>> Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...
>>>
>>> On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are pretty
>>> much in the dark.
>>>
>>> The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for coronavirus has
>>> become something of a national scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you
>>> compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South
>>> Korea stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including
>>> through innovative drive-through testing programs.
>>>
>>> Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the US, like New
>>> Hampshire, but we still have a lon

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- Original Message -
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:33:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

> Well you don't need any other supplies if you have enough ammo. If you run out
> of something you just go shoot your neighbor and take his stuff. Ten thousand
> rounds sounds like a lot, but it's not when you have 300,000,000 neighbors.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/13/2020 8:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo
> thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong,
> I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.
> 
> I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We had 
> a 3
> man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver carried no ammo
> as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything else 
> he
> had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc
> machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a company level
> for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1
> box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300
> rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a
> total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw in a couple 
> of
> extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 miles or so. So
> call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That is for a known or intenional
> engagement. Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill
> someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever.
> The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 
> 2100
> rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we carried
> about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer to
> 1800 to 2000 rounds.
> 
> Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can 
> count
> on resupply unless everything really goes South. I know you are counting on no
> supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't plan on
> doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once
> the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the
> initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to 
> hide
> more.
> 
> That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all the
> drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of war 
> aint
> what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending people 
> out
> to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it 
> because
> that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech
> now.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones < [
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting dumb,
> means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more 
> ammo
> tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday when God
> government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 
> gauge
> with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about 
> is
> a different story.
> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into the
> warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat every 
> day
> as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like
> the world is ending tomorrow.
> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my pantry 
> with
> nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the canned foods we
> picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some common sense. But doing
> an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out
> halfway through. These people are crazy.
> I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm planning 
> on
> sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and shitposting for 2 
> weeks
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com |
> i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind China and S. 
> Korea. I
> would love a plot of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...
> 
> On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are pretty much in 
> the
> dark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Trump admi

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the money 
on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in the event 
that they need help.  WWJD



That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response 
to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't 
exactly top of the smarts chain.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Inept

[Bill Prince]

  
  
hamberders

bp



On 3/13/2020 5:41 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  Covfefe
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:34 PM
  Jaime Solorza 
  wrote:


  Inept 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Bill Prince]

  
  
In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or
  9 out of 10 shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi
  auto wins every time with a minimum of waste. 

I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo,
  that's on the high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an
  extra couple of boxes, but that's about it.

bp



On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic
behavior? I get the more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit
much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, I have a few guns
around and maybe a couple thousand rounds. 

  I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the
Marine Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one
guy carrying the receiver carried no ammo as he was already
carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything else
he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds
for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major
part of the fire power on a company level for either defense
or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1
box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so
a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company.
so an additional 900 rounds for a total of 1100 rounds
standard. The company commander might throw in a couple of
extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than
15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That
is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works out
like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and
nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect.
Whatever. The point is that you are looking for a fight and
you are carrying at most 2100 rounds. Now, if we were lucky
enough to drive around in a humvee we carried about the same
amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer
to 1800 to 2000 rounds.
  
  
  Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is
protracted you can count on resupply unless everything
really goes South.  I know you are counting on no supply
chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't
plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning
shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot, a lot
less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic.
Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to
hide more.
  
  
  That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would
imagine with all the drones equipped with heat signature
equipment and the like, the fog of war aint what it used to
be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending people
out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you
ran towards it because that meant somebody found what you
were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.

  
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05
  PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is
a frenzy. People acting dumb, means people will shortly do
dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I
just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday when
God government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down
on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What
I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is a different story.
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The
  truck was outside unloading into the warehouse more TP and
  ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat every day
  as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so
  worked up, it's like the world is ending tomorrow. 
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check
  every tax time and fill my pantry with nonperishable goods
  on your dime. It was nice to see that the canned foods we
  picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some
  common sense. But doing an annual shop in the middle of
  this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway
  through. These people are crazy. 
I do have my camper ready to quarantine
  myself. By that, I mean I'm planning on sitting in my
  camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and shitposting for
 

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Where we live, it only takes one round to take down a deer.
  That's good for a while.


bp



On 3/13/2020 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  Depends on the rounds.  For awhile I was stuck with
an M249 (I was aviation so that was an extra crap assignment vs
a 9 mil or M16) and we carried 800 rounds.  Same 5.56 as an M16,
just on a belt in a cartridge.  


And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. 
  Spend the money on some extra dry goods you could share with
  your neighbors in the event that they need help.  WWJD 
  
  
  
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:58
  AM Lewis Bergman 
  wrote:


  I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic
behavior? I get the more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a
bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, I have a
few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds. 

  I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in
the Marine Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2.
The one guy carrying the receiver carried no ammo as he
was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to
everything else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds
each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun
tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a
company level for either defense or attack. In addition,
the rifle platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per
squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300
rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an
additional 900 rounds for a total of 1100 rounds
standard. The company commander might throw in a couple
of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move
more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the
outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement.
Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to
kill someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't
where you expect. Whatever. The point is that you are
looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100
rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in
a humvee we carried about the same amount of ammo, but
with us instead of spread around. Closer to 1800 to 2000
rounds.
  
  
  Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle
is protracted you can count on resupply unless
everything really goes South.  I know you are counting
on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst
shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or
maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the
first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by
everyone after the initial panic. Seeing someone get
shot seems to really encourage people to hide more.
  
  
  That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I
would imagine with all the drones equipped with heat
signature equipment and the like, the fog of war aint
what it used to be. We used to count on finding the
enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you
heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because
that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for.
Seems really low tech now.

  
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at
  11:05 PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This
is a frenzy. People acting dumb, means people will
shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more
ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least
till Monday when God government let's me pick up the
rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a
pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont
tell her about is a different story.
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The
  truck was outside unloading into the warehouse more TP
  and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat
  every day as morons moron. They're frantic. The media
  has people so worked up, it's like the world is ending

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Ken Hohhof]

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.


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On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mitch Koep]

+1000

my acreage as well

On 3/13/2020 9:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Where we live, it only takes one round to take down a deer. That's 
good for a while.



bp


On 3/13/2020 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
Depends on the rounds.  For awhile I was stuck with an M249 (I was 
aviation so that was an extra crap assignment vs a 9 mil or M16) and 
we carried 800 rounds.  Same 5.56 as an M16, just on a belt in a 
cartridge.


And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. Spend the 
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
the event that they need help.  WWJD


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:58 AM Lewis Bergman 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the
more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his
own. Don't get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a
couple thousand rounds.

I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine
Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy
carrying the receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying
60 pounds of metal in addition to everything else he had. The
other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully
automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire
power on a company level for either defense or attack. In
addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per
squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per
platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for
a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might
throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to
move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the
outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing
works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and
nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever.
The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are
carrying at most 2100 rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to
drive around in a humvee we carried about the same amount of
ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer to 1800 to
2000 rounds.

Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted
you can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I
know you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either
the worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or
maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first
guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the
initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage
people to hide more.

That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine
with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and
the like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to
count on finding the enemy by sending people out to look for
them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it
because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for.
Seems really low tech now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy.
People acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things.
I went and bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope
these morons stay calm at least till Monday when God
government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on
grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What I
buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is a different story.
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside
unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It
will be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron.
They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like
the world is ending tomorrow.
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and
fill my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was
nice to see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at
least some people do have some common sense. But doing an
annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had
to cut out halfway through. These people are crazy.
I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I
mean I'm planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller
lite, Jameson, and shitposting for 2 weeks

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd
behind China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot of that
vs. Emergency beds/breathers...

On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Per Vox Media.

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Bill Prince]

Soap and water actually works better than the sanitizer. The sanitizer 
is really handy if you are on the road or something, but soap and water 
is the best.


bp


On 3/13/2020 8:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.


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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Inept

[Jaime Solorza]

Now he is blaming Obamadamn, grow some balls and own upyou messed
up big timeleave the politics out of it and listen to the scientists
and medical expertsque pinchi mamadas..

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:42 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Covfefe
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:34 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Inept
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[dave]

As an M1A1 crewman I remember we carried 11400 of 7.62 for the loaders 
m240b and the gunners coax used the majority and 900 rounds of .50cal 
for the M2.
We shared an M16A1 with about 200 rounds and each carried 35 rounds of 
.45 for our 1911s we had 52rounds of 120mm rounds of Sabot and mixed 
Heat rounds for the
big boy. All of which weighed approx 72tons of pure destruction on the 
move about 60MPH.


I was always looking for a fight LOL!


On 3/13/20 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or 9 out 
of 10 shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi auto wins 
every time with a minimum of waste.


I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo, that's 
on the high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an extra 
couple of boxes, but that's about it.


bp


On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more 
ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't 
get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand 
rounds.


I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. 
We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the 
receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of 
metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two carried 
100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked 
with the a major part of the fire power on a company level for either 
defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box 
(100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 
300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 
rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander 
might throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have 
to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the 
outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works 
out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies 
home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is 
that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100 
rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we 
carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread 
around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.


Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you 
can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know 
you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the 
worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a 
lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot, 
a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic. Seeing 
someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide more.


That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine 
with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the 
like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on 
finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you 
heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant 
somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People
acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and
bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay
calm at least till Monday when God government let's me pick up
the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol
grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is
a different story.
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside
unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will
be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. They're
frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like the world
is ending tomorrow.
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill
my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to
see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some
people do have some common sense. But doing an annual shop in the
middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway
through. These people are crazy.
I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean
I'm planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite,
Jameson, and shitposting for 2 weeks

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind
China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs.
Emergency beds/breathers...

On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testin

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Inept

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That is completely out of the realm of reality.

bp



On 3/13/2020 8:38 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Now he is blaming Obamadamn, grow some balls
and own upyou messed up big timeleave the politics out
of it and listen to the scientists and medical expertsque
pinchi mamadas..
  
  
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:42 AM
  Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  Covfefe
  
  
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:34
  PM Jaime Solorza 
  wrote:


  Inept 
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[chuck]

I have one box for my 22 special.  Not sure it even works.  The ammo is 
probably 30 years old.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or 9 out of 10 
shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi auto wins every time with a 
minimum of waste. 


I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo, that's on the 
high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an extra couple of boxes, but 
that's about it.


bp


On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo 
thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, 
I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.  

  I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We had 
a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver carried no 
ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything 
else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully 
automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a 
company level for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons 
each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a 
total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 
rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw 
in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 
miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That is for a known or 
intenional engagement. Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to 
kill someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. 
Whatever. The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at 
most 2100 rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we 
carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. 
Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.

  Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can 
count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you are counting 
on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't plan 
on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, 
once the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the 
initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide 
more.

  That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all 
the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of war 
aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending 
people out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards 
it because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really 
low tech now.

  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting dumb, 
means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more ammo 
tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday when God 
government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge 
with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is 
a different story. 
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into 
the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat every 
day as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's 
like the world is ending tomorrow. 
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my pantry 
with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the canned foods 
we picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some common sense. But 
doing an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut 
out halfway through. These people are crazy. 
I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm 
planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and shitposting 
for 2 weeks

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert  wrote:

  The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind China and S. 
Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...


  On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are pretty 
much in the dark.




The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for coronavirus has 
become something of a national scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you 
compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South Korea 
stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including through 
innovative drive-through testing programs.

 

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[chuck]

I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ 
weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of 
toilet paper.


I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point 
where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or 
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.


Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. 
This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will 
be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're 
not living in a Mad Max movie.


If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't 
get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, 
well, that would suck.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD



That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to 
all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly 
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[Adam Moffett]

Yeah personally carrying about 50 pounds of rations around at all 
times.  Might be good for me to run out of food.



On 3/13/2020 12:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 
2+ weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran 
out of toilet paper.


I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the 
point where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned 
goods, or get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on 
the porch.


Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to 
think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are 
panic buying. This is not going to be over in the next month. Please 
tell me there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and 
canned peaches, and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.


If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and 
can't get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped 
everything up, well, that would suck.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD



That requires rational thought. The people that think the best 
response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper 
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[castarritt .]

Strategic lipid reserves are a thing, just make sure you have enough ammo
that your reserves won't go to someone else.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM  wrote:

> I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
> weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
> toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
> where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
> get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
> think
> stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.
> This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will
> be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're
> not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
> get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
> well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> > the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
> all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
> top of the smarts chain.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Ken Hohhof]

Yep, I actually only have soap (actually Dial Complete Foaming Hand Soap
which I suspect is not "soap" at all), and have never used any Purell type
stuff.

But I wouldn't mind having a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer for when
I'm on the road.  And we may need masks, gloves and hand sanitizer to
convince customers we're safe to be in their house.  Not sure where you'd
buy any of those things now.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Soap and water actually works better than the sanitizer. The sanitizer is
really handy if you are on the road or something, but soap and water is the
best.

bp


On 3/13/2020 8:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
top of the smarts chain.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Ken Hohhof]

Time to rent the movie Eating Raoul.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

Strategic lipid reserves are a thing, just make sure you have enough ammo that 
your reserves won't go to someone else.

 

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ 
weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of 
toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point 
where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or 
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. 
This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will 
be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're 
not living in a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't 
get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, 
well, that would suck.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to 
all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Bill Prince]

We have kept a bottle of Purell in our trucks for years now. Turns out 
alcohol is great for getting urushiol off your hands if you are working 
around poison oak (or poison ivy).



bp


On 3/13/2020 9:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yep, I actually only have soap (actually Dial Complete Foaming Hand Soap
which I suspect is not "soap" at all), and have never used any Purell type
stuff.

But I wouldn't mind having a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer for when
I'm on the road.  And we may need masks, gloves and hand sanitizer to
convince customers we're safe to be in their house.  Not sure where you'd
buy any of those things now.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Soap and water actually works better than the sanitizer. The sanitizer is
really handy if you are on the road or something, but soap and water is the
best.

bp


On 3/13/2020 8:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+

weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point

where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to

think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't

get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
well, that would suck.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
the event that they need help.  WWJD

That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to

all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[chuck]

That’s a classic.  
There is another one that I cannot remember the name of, like to watch it again.
Seems like it was perhaps Indian, restaurant getting extorted by the local 
indian mob.  
In the end I think they feed the mobster to a wedding party.  
Love to watch that one again if someone can tell me the name of it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Time to rent the movie Eating Raoul.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

Strategic lipid reserves are a thing, just make sure you have enough ammo that 
your reserves won't go to someone else.

 

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM  wrote:

  I can live off my body fat for much longer than that.

  -Original Message- 
  From: Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ 
  weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of 
  toilet paper.

  I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point 
  where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or 
  get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

  Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
  stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. 
  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will 
  be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're 
  not living in a Mad Max movie.

  If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't 
  get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, 
  well, that would suck.


  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

  On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
  > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
  > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
  > the event that they need help.  WWJD


  That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to 
  all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly 
  top of the smarts chain.

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[AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[Nate Burke]

I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet 
to.  Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change 
the color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.


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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[Ken Hohhof]

You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet to.
Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change the
color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[Nate Burke]

No, the SM isn't associated, and I'm only able to telnet to it from the 
Mikrotik that it's plugged into which I still have access to via a 
different path.  So without setting up a tunnel, I can't get HTTP to it 
without going on site.


On 3/13/2020 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet to.
Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change the
color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[castarritt .]

I test/provision 450s through a Mikrotik using NAT rules to access the
radio's 169.254.1.1 address via the tik's IP on my LAN.  Just add a
169.254.0.0/16 address to the radio interface, setup a dstnat rule pointing
port 80 to 169.254.1.1, and a masquerade rule on the radio's interface.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> No, the SM isn't associated, and I'm only able to telnet to it from the
> Mikrotik that it's plugged into which I still have access to via a
> different path.  So without setting up a tunnel, I can't get HTTP to it
> without going on site.
>
> On 3/13/2020 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax
> >
> > I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet
> to.
> > Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change the
> > color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[Nate Burke]

There are a lot of options that could get me to the SM so I could bring 
up HTTP.  But I wanted to just do a quick check via Telnet without 
having to do a bunch of network reconfiguration for an SM that either 
died, or got mis-aligned.  It sounds like that's not actually possible.


On 3/13/2020 12:44 PM, castarritt . wrote:
I test/provision 450s through a Mikrotik using NAT rules to access the 
radio's 169.254.1.1 address via the tik's IP on my LAN.  Just add a 
169.254.0.0/16  address to the radio interface, 
setup a dstnat rule pointing port 80 to 169.254.1.1, and a 
masquerade rule on the radio's interface.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


No, the SM isn't associated, and I'm only able to telnet to it
from the
Mikrotik that it's plugged into which I still have access to via a
different path.  So without setting up a tunnel, I can't get HTTP
to it
without going on site.

On 3/13/2020 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax
>
> I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only
telnet to.
> Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or
Change the
> color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mike Hammett]

I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked. 




- 
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Not serious. - Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine. But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper. 

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch. 

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty. Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying. This 
is not going to be over in the next month. Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie. 

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck. 


-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica 

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote: 
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help. WWJD 


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of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Jason McKemie]

I'll second this.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.
>
>
>
> -
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> 
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
> weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
> toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
> where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
> get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
> think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
> buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
> there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
> and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
> get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
> well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> > the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
> all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly
> top of the smarts chain.
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[AFMUG] FTP Server Testing

[Nate Burke]

Long story short, one of my customers has a buddy with 'FIBER TO HIS 
HOUSE!!' (supposedly the 2G Comcast Fiber offering)  and he's trying to 
run his office backups to his buddy's house.  He's in one of our 
directly connected buildings, so he should have good performance, but 
the transfer is only running at <100mb/s.


For whatever reason, I'm only able to transfer files via FTP at 250mbs 
to the buddy's house, and 100mbs from his house.  The buddy is claiming 
that he can transfer files to/from servers at his data center at a full 
gig with no problem and is pointing the finger at us that our network is 
the bottleneck.  I haven't been able to find anything and speed tests 
can max our pipes no problem.


Does anyone out there with a >1G pipe want to help me by setting up an 
FTP server that I can transfer in/out of to see if it's isolated to just 
this guy's connection, or something truly on my network?  Offlist reply 
is fine, and I'm willing to work in a time window/IP list so you don't 
have to leave an FTP server open to the internet.  I tried finding some 
FTP Servers that hosted linux ISO's but It seemed like they were all 
limited to 100-150mb on the transfer.  Unless someone knows of a fast 
host for those.


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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Robert]

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right 
place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still 
hoarding?


On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
the event that they need help.  WWJD



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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Ken Hohhof]

I smell a reality TV show.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

 

I'll second this.

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:52 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.



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Not serious.


  _  


From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Steve Martin proposed years ago that the solution to traffic
  congestion was death penalty for parking violations.


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On 3/13/2020 10:53 AM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:


  
  I'll second this.
  
  
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:52
  PM Mike Hammett  wrote:


  
I
  propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.
  
  

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  Not
serious.
  
  From:
"Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are
preparing for 2+ weeks of home quarantine.  But I would
run out of food before I ran out of toilet paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break
down to the point where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver
a box of pasta and canned goods, or get someone to bring
me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty. 
Again, I'd like to think stores are going to get
restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell
me there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper,
pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in a Mad
Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for
14 days and can't get basic supplies delivered because
other people scooped everything up, well, that would
suck.


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From: AF 
On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic
behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with
your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think
the best response to all of this is to purchase mass
quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of the
smarts chain.

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Jason McKemie]

I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:

> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
> hoarding?
>
> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
> >
> >
> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20
guage would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I
dont even keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street
at my dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and
capacity in the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the
shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even
if the shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and
I still will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt
justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
stupidity

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>> hoarding?
>>
>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>> >
>> >
>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[James Howard]

Just got back from weekly trip to Costco for groceries.  From the looks of it 
you'd need to execute at least half the people coming out of there..

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.


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Not serious.

From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[chuck]

I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room for 
a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.  
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will get the 
rest.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price was 
right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range. I would 
have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase. AR is a 
hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. 
But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of stupidity, it was 
the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping 
power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch the 
handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would be preferred for them, but 
the wife said no to two guns. I dont even keep most guns at my house currently, 
they stay across the street at my dads house. I needed something with stopping 
power, noise, and capacity in the even the ill prepared choose to take 
advantage of the shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, 
because even if the shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will 
end and I still will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation 
doesnt justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all 
the magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored 
weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill 
unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons 
home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my 
walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals are 
almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 
rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully i still 
have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the range. 
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse 
stupidity

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.

  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right 
place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still 
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best 
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper 
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

My sisters brother (dads ex wife) got in a pickle some time back for having
actual claymores set up in his yard. I dont know how he got them, or how he
avoided prison. That guy was the epitome of RWNJ. he ditched to germany and
lives off grid now as far as anybody knows. I wouldnt be surprised if you
could find him if he was able to hook you up with some of those land mines
and the .50

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM  wrote:

> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Jason McKemie]

That's a great way of social distancing...

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:55 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Just got back from weekly trip to Costco for groceries.  From the looks of
> it you’d need to execute at least half the people coming out of there……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:52 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
>
>
> I propose executing hoarders on site. No questions asked.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
>
>
> 
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>
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2020 10:25:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+
> weeks of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of
> toilet paper.
>
> I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point
> where I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or
> get someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.
>
> Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to
> think stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic
> buying.  This is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me
> there will be more hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches,
> and we're not living in a Mad Max movie.
>
> If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't
> get basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up,
> well, that would suck.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> > And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> > money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> > the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to
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Re: [AFMUG] FTP Server Testing

[Josh Luthman]

Does it have to be FTP?

I've done 4 wget -O /dev/null at this site and gotten gig:
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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:57 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Long story short, one of my customers has a buddy with 'FIBER TO HIS
> HOUSE!!' (supposedly the 2G Comcast Fiber offering)  and he's trying to
> run his office backups to his buddy's house.  He's in one of our
> directly connected buildings, so he should have good performance, but
> the transfer is only running at <100mb/s.
>
> For whatever reason, I'm only able to transfer files via FTP at 250mbs
> to the buddy's house, and 100mbs from his house.  The buddy is claiming
> that he can transfer files to/from servers at his data center at a full
> gig with no problem and is pointing the finger at us that our network is
> the bottleneck.  I haven't been able to find anything and speed tests
> can max our pipes no problem.
>
> Does anyone out there with a >1G pipe want to help me by setting up an
> FTP server that I can transfer in/out of to see if it's isolated to just
> this guy's connection, or something truly on my network?  Offlist reply
> is fine, and I'm willing to work in a time window/IP list so you don't
> have to leave an FTP server open to the internet.  I tried finding some
> FTP Servers that hosted linux ISO's but It seemed like they were all
> limited to 100-150mb on the transfer.  Unless someone knows of a fast
> host for those.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[Shayne Lebrun]

Turn on web proxy on the Mikrotik, set your browser's proxy address to the
mikrotik, and web in.  Turn off proxy on mikrotik when done.

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

No, the SM isn't associated, and I'm only able to telnet to it from the 
Mikrotik that it's plugged into which I still have access to via a 
different path.  So without setting up a tunnel, I can't get HTTP to it 
without going on site.

On 3/13/2020 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax
>
> I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet to.
> Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change the
> color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

[Adam Moffett]

Ohdoes that work?  Cool idea.

On 3/13/2020 5:04 PM, Shayne Lebrun wrote:

Turn on web proxy on the Mikrotik, set your browser's proxy address to the
mikrotik, and web in.  Turn off proxy on mikrotik when done.

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 1:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

No, the SM isn't associated, and I'm only able to telnet to it from the
Mikrotik that it's plugged into which I still have access to via a
different path.  So without setting up a tunnel, I can't get HTTP to it
without going on site.

On 3/13/2020 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet to.
Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change the
color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.

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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Robert]

I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...

On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of 
room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure. Land mines will 
get the rest.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But 
price was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my 
price range. I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a 
pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And 
I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase 
and the escalation of stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple 
.22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping power, or the 
shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, 
too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would be preferred for them, but 
the wife said no to two guns. I dont even keep most guns at my house 
currently, they stay across the street at my dads house. I needed 
something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in the even the ill 
prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that might go down. 
Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the shitshow (that 
probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still will have 
a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify its 
hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the 
magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the 
stored weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their 
tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill 
bring the weapons home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the 
purchase. If you saw my walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are 
dangerous, and stupid criminals are almost as bad. And when the 
mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 rounds when i pick up 
the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully i still have every 
single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to 
impulse stupidity
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from
the right
place online in December and availability was trivial, was it
still
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. 
Spend the
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your
neighbors in
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of
toilet paper
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

solar powered electrified fence

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:17 PM Robert  wrote:

> I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
>
> On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Robert]

Years ago with the last wife, she took me by a hanger of a friend of 
hers on the Scottsdale airport.   That guy had at least a case of 
everything.   When he opened a particular crate and it was full of cases 
of LARs I just shook my head.   He was a foreign national and apparently 
had a ligit weapons import/export license and all the necessary Fed 
approvals.   Not one, not two, but three ma dueces scattered around the 
room.   Cases of claymores.  It was a true armory, 400 yards from the 
runway where he could load up the corp jet and skeddadle... That wife 
loved hanging with him. Kinda knew then the relationship was doomed.


On 3/13/20 12:23 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
My sisters brother (dads ex wife) got in a pickle some time back for 
having actual claymores set up in his yard. I dont know how he got 
them, or how he avoided prison. That guy was the epitome of RWNJ. he 
ditched to germany and lives off grid now as far as anybody knows. I 
wouldnt be surprised if you could find him if he was able to hook you 
up with some of those land mines and the .50


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM > wrote:


I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots
of room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines
will get the rest.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But
price was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in
my price range. I would have preferred the henry repeater if this
were a pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this
plague. And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But given the purpose
of the purchase and the escalation of stupidity, it was the
option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the
stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I
prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I
dont even keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across
the street at my dads house. I needed something with stopping
power, noise, and capacity in the even the ill prepared choose to
take advantage of the shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to
not even own an AR, because even if the shitshow (that probably
wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still will have a
politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify its
hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as
the stored weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm
their tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues to
escalate, Ill bring the weapons home. So no, nothing moronic or
impulse about the purchase. If you saw my walmart, youd
understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals are
almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up
another 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow
is over, hopefully i still have every single cartridge and we can
have a good fun day at the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to
impulse stupidity
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie
 wrote:

I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert
 wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap
from the right
place online in December and availability was trivial, was
it still
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic
behavior.  Spend the
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your
neighbors in
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think
the best
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities
of toilet paper
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>


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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Claymores can be very effective.


bp



On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:


  
  I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
  
  On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  


  
I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at
  home.  Lots of room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking
  out the driveway.  
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure. 
  Land mines will get the rest.  

  
 

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and
WISPAmerica

  
   


  The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to
mechanical issues. But price was right, and it was the
only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range. I would
have preferred the henry repeater if this were a
pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like
this plague. And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But
given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a
9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping power, or the
shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch
the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would
be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns.
I dont even keep most guns at my house currently, they
stay across the street at my dads house. I needed
something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of
the shitshow that might go down. Id prefer to not even
own an AR, because even if the shitshow (that probably
wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still will
have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation
doesnt justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what
it is. I did load all the magazines, I normally keep
ammunition in a separate container as the stored
weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm
their tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues
to escalate, Ill bring the weapons home. So no, nothing
moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous,
and stupid criminals are almost as bad. And when the
mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 rounds
when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over,
hopefully i still have every single cartridge and we can
have a good fun day at the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both
  too prone to impulse stupidity
  
   
  
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020
  at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
  wrote:


  I think it falls more under prepping
than hoarding at that point.
   
  
On Fri, Mar 13,
  2020 at 1:07 PM Robert 
  wrote:

If you bought it before
  the run and it was super cheap from the right 
  place online in December and availability was
  trivial, was it still 
  hoarding?
  
  On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
  > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
  >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is
  moronic behavior.  Spend the 
  >> money on some extra dry goods you could
  share with your neighbors in 
  >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
  >
  >
  > That requires rational thought. The people
  that think the best 
  > response to all of this is to purchase mass
  quantities of toilet paper 
  > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
  >
  

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Mitch Koep]

https://www.wired.com/2007/06/robo-tasers-for/

incase non lethal is an idea lol

On 3/13/2020 4:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Claymores can be very effective.


bp


On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:

I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...

On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots 
of room for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines 
will get the rest.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But 
price was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my 
price range. I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were 
a pleasure purchase. AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. 
And I dont want a semi auto shotgun. But given the purpose of the 
purchase and the escalation of stupidity, it was the option. I have 
a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22 doesnt have the stopping power, 
or the shock and awe noise factor. The kids, I prefer not touch the 
handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage would be preferred for 
them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even keep most guns 
at my house currently, they stay across the street at my dads house. 
I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in the 
even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that 
might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the 
shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and 
I still will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation 
doesnt justify its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did 
load all the magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate 
container as the stored weapons. thats the first escalation, if the 
morons calm their tits, ill unstress those springs. If it continues 
to escalate, Ill bring the weapons home. So no, nothing moronic or 
impulse about the purchase. If you saw my walmart, youd understand. 
Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals are almost as bad. 
And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another 1000 rounds 
when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully i 
still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at 
the range.
Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to 
impulse stupidity
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert 
wrote:

If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from
the right
place online in December and availability was trivial, was
it still
hoarding?

On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior. 
Spend the
>> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your
neighbors in
>> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>
>
> That requires rational thought. The people that think the
best
> response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of
toilet paper
> aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>


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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[castarritt .]

Can I place them facing large fire ant mounds?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:11 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> https://www.wired.com/2007/06/robo-tasers-for/
>
> incase non lethal is an idea lol
> On 3/13/2020 4:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Claymores can be very effective.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
>
> On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Steve Jones]

You take your non lethal and put it in a dream bucket and fill it with fish
guts. We have no use for non lethal things, merca.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 5:11 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> https://www.wired.com/2007/06/robo-tasers-for/
>
> incase non lethal is an idea lol
> On 3/13/2020 4:46 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> Claymores can be very effective.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/13/2020 2:16 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> I would have taken you for an electrified fence kinda guy...
>
> On 3/13/20 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have a nice balcony connecting my BR to my office at home.  Lots of room
> for a 50 cal tripod mounted M2 looking out the driveway.
> At least that would take care of my Southern exposure.  Land mines will
> get the rest.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
>
> The AR wasnt the weapon of choice. Prone to mechanical issues. But price
> was right, and it was the only semiauto rifle in stock, in my price range.
> I would have preferred the henry repeater if this were a pleasure purchase.
> AR is a hyped up weapon, much like this plague. And I dont want a semi auto
> shotgun. But given the purpose of the purchase and the escalation of
> stupidity, it was the option. I have a couple .22 and a 9mm handgun. .22
> doesnt have the stopping power, or the shock and awe noise factor. The
> kids, I prefer not touch the handgun, too loose of a weapon. the 20 guage
> would be preferred for them, but the wife said no to two guns. I dont even
> keep most guns at my house currently, they stay across the street at my
> dads house. I needed something with stopping power, noise, and capacity in
> the even the ill prepared choose to take advantage of the shitshow that
> might go down. Id prefer to not even own an AR, because even if the
> shitshow (that probably wont come to pass) happens, it will end and I still
> will have a politically problematic weapon, whos reputation doesnt justify
> its hassle of ownership, but it is what it is. I did load all the
> magazines, I normally keep ammunition in a separate container as the stored
> weapons. thats the first escalation, if the morons calm their tits, ill
> unstress those springs. If it continues to escalate, Ill bring the weapons
> home. So no, nothing moronic or impulse about the purchase. If you saw my
> walmart, youd understand. Stupid people are dangerous, and stupid criminals
> are almost as bad. And when the mandated wait is over, ill pick up another
> 1000 rounds when i pick up the weapon. When the shitshow is over, hopefully
> i still have every single cartridge and we can have a good fun day at the
> range.
> Morons and governments make me nervous, theyre both too prone to impulse
> stupidity
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it falls more under prepping than hoarding at that point.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> If you bought it before the run and it was super cheap from the right
>>> place online in December and availability was trivial, was it still
>>> hoarding?
>>>
>>> On 3/13/20 7:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> > On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> >> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
>>> >> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
>>> >> the event that they need help.  WWJD
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That requires rational thought. The people that think the best
>>> > response to all of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper
>>> > aren't exactly top of the smarts chain.
>>> >
>>>
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[AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Ken Hohhof]

I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me
have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however
different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make
it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.

 

I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Daniel White]

You guys did it all wrong.  Be a POG... sit in the rear with the beer.

Only shot the M249 in combat training after boot and didn't get to shoot
the ma deuce because all of the ammo was over in Iraq (I was going
through boot camp as we invaded Iraq the second time).

Okay I wasn't really happy with the Marines for putting me in HR
basically. 

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Carl Peterson wrote on 3/13/20 07:33:
> Depends on the rounds.  For awhile I was stuck with an M249 (I was
> aviation so that was an extra crap assignment vs a 9 mil or M16) and
> we carried 800 rounds.  Same 5.56 as an M16, just on a belt in a
> cartridge.  
>
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in
> the event that they need help.  WWJD 
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:58 AM Lewis Bergman  > wrote:
>
> I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the
> more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his
> own. Don't get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a
> couple thousand rounds. 
>
> I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine
> Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying
> the receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds
> of metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two
> carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine
> gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a company
> level for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle
> platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3
> squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3
> platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a total of
> 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw in a
> couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more
> than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That
> is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works out like
> you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies home.
> Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is
> that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100
> rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a
> humvee we carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us
> instead of spread around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.
>
> Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted
> you can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I
> know you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either
> the worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or
> maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy
> gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial
> panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to
> hide more.
>
> That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine
> with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the
> like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on
> finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you
> heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant
> somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People
> acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went
> and bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these
> morons stay calm at least till Monday when God government
> let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20
> gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and
> dont tell her about is a different story.
> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside
> unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It
> will be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron.
> They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like
> the world is ending tomorrow. 
> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and
> fill my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was
> nice to see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at
> least some people do have some common sense. But doing an
> annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had
> to cut out halfway through. These people are crazy. 
> I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I
> mean I'm plann

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[Daniel White]

That is why they removed full auto after the M16A1 because they found
after three rounds you were no longer accurate (a bi-pod or tri-pod
mounted machine gun is a different engagement strategy).

One shot, one kill, ready to die but never will :)

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Bill Prince wrote on 3/13/20 08:49:
>
> In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or 9 out
> of 10 shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi auto wins
> every time with a minimum of waste.
>
> I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo, that's
> on the high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an extra
> couple of boxes, but that's about it.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more
>> ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't
>> get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand
>> rounds. 
>>
>> I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps.
>> We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the
>> receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of
>> metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two carried
>> 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked
>> with the a major part of the fire power on a company level for either
>> defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box
>> (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of
>> 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900
>> rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander
>> might throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have
>> to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the
>> outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works
>> out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies
>> home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is
>> that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100
>> rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we
>> carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread
>> around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.
>>
>> Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you
>> can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know
>> you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the
>> worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a
>> lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot,
>> a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic. Seeing
>> someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide more.
>>
>> That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine
>> with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the
>> like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on
>> finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you
>> heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant
>> somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones
>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People
>> acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and
>> bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay
>> calm at least till Monday when God government let's me pick up
>> the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol
>> grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is
>> a different story.
>> Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside
>> unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will
>> be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. They're
>> frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like the world
>> is ending tomorrow. 
>> I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill
>> my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to
>> see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some
>> people do have some common sense. But doing an annual shop in the
>> middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway
>> through. These people are crazy. 
>> I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean
>> I'm planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite,
>> Jameson, and shitposting for 2 weeks
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert > > wrote:
>>
>> The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind
>> China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs.
>> Emergency beds/breathe

Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Heard a rumor today Trump had a 2 week quarantine in his press conference.  
Didn't happenbut could he even do that? 

If it happened how would that even work?

They did announce schools are closing here but not until Wednesday at 5 p.m. to 
give everyone time to prepare for child care.

Dunno why.  We just got our first case today.

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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
Date: Fri, Mar 13, 2020 10:25 AM

Trying to put this in the best light, maybe people are preparing for 2+ weeks 
of home quarantine.  But I would run out of food before I ran out of toilet 
paper.

I would like to think that society isn't going to break down to the point where 
I couldn't get Amazon to deliver a box of pasta and canned goods, or get 
someone to bring me some bread and milk and leave it on the porch.

Hand sanitizer though, all the shelves are empty.  Again, I'd like to think 
stores are going to get restocked with the stuff people are panic buying.  This 
is not going to be over in the next month.  Please tell me there will be more 
hand sanitizer, toilet paper, pasta and canned peaches, and we're not living in 
a Mad Max movie.

If somebody's grandparents are stuck in their house for 14 days and can't get 
basic supplies delivered because other people scooped everything up, well, that 
would suck.


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On 3/13/20 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
> And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the 
> money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in 
> the event that they need help.  WWJD


That requires rational thought. The people that think the best response to all 
of this is to purchase mass quantities of toilet paper aren't exactly top of 
the smarts chain.

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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Colin Stanners]

To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match
at a site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the
same direction with those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site
overlapping a RX) . The opposite polarity increases the isolation so you
have even less worry in this case. That H/L match idea is more of a
tendency and to simplify planning than a rule.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof,  wrote:

> I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me
> have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however
> different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make
> it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.
>
>
>
> I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same
> site.
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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Steve Jones]

The channel pairs are predefined

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 7:31 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match
> at a site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the
> same direction with those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site
> overlapping a RX) . The opposite polarity increases the isolation so you
> have even less worry in this case. That H/L match idea is more of a
> tendency and to simplify planning than a rule.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof,  wrote:
>
>> I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me
>> have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however
>> different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make
>> it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same
>> site.
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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Tim Hardy]

The radios certainly don’t have any isolation from this type of interference, 
so what you’re relying on is totally on the antennas - there’s not much FSL on 
these and I wouldn’t bet my life on a 2’ Category B to provide the kind of 
close-coupling loss needed on a co-located system.  AT&T and MCI used to do it 
when they had completely back-to-back horns or ultra-high performance antennas 
but they provide about 80 dB of discrimination front-to-back.

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> 
> To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match at 
> a site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the same direction 
> with those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site overlapping a RX) . The 
> opposite polarity increases the isolation so you have even less worry in this 
> case. That H/L match idea is more of a tendency and to simplify planning than 
> a rule.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof,  wrote:
>> I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me 
>> have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however 
>> different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make 
>> it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same site.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Tim Hardy]

For FDD systems that require a minimum frequency separation between 
Transmitters and receivers, one should always follow a standard high/low 
frequency plan.  In fact for efficient use of the band for all parties, the 
high/low plan should be followed religiously.  Violating the established 
high/low is referred to as a high/low “buck” or “bucking” station and doing 
this makes it much harder for the next path planned at the site, as the 
interference potential would now be co-located rather than at the far-end.

If you’re connecting into established sites or mountain tops, it’s sometimes 
required to have a buck in order to match the prevailing plan at the 
established site.  In these instances, one would want to have as much frequency 
separation as possible between T & R at the co-located site.

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Tim Hardy  wrote:
> 
> The radios certainly don’t have any isolation from this type of 
> interference, so what you’re relying on is totally on the antennas - there’s 
> not much FSL on these and I wouldn’t bet my life on a 2’ Category B to 
> provide the kind of close-coupling loss needed on a co-located system.  AT&T 
> and MCI used to do it when they had completely back-to-back horns or 
> ultra-high performance antennas but they provide about 80 dB of 
> discrimination front-to-back.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match 
>> at a site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the same 
>> direction with those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site overlapping 
>> a RX) . The opposite polarity increases the isolation so you have even less 
>> worry in this case. That H/L match idea is more of a tendency and to 
>> simplify planning than a rule.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof,  wrote:
>>> I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me 
>>> have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however 
>>> different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make 
>>> it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same 
>>> site.
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Ken Hohhof]

I realize we forced them into this situation by wanting new links involving 2 
sites where we already have 11 GHz.

 

One of the sites is a water tank where it might be possible to put the tank 
between the 2 dishes, but that is not the bucking site.  That site is actually 
I think a Rohn 45 and the antennas would be close to each other, although not 
the same azimuth.

 

It sounds like I should ask them to look at it again with one of the shorter 
links in 18 GHz.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Hardy
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:38 PM
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The radios certainly don’t have any isolation from this type of interference, 
so what you’re relying on is totally on the antennas - there’s not much FSL on 
these and I wouldn’t bet my life on a 2’ Category B to provide the kind of 
close-coupling loss needed on a co-located system.  AT&T and MCI used to do it 
when they had completely back-to-back horns or ultra-high performance antennas 
but they provide about 80 dB of discrimination front-to-back.

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On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote:



To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match at a 
site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the same direction with 
those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site overlapping a RX) . The 
opposite polarity increases the isolation so you have even less worry in this 
case. That H/L match idea is more of a tendency and to simplify planning than a 
rule.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof, mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me have 
one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however 
different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make it 
OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.

 

I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same site.

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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Tim Hardy]

If there’s double the bandwidth or more in frequency separation between T-R
at the bucking site you should be okay.  It will just be difficult to add
frequencies / new paths at that site in the future.  Send me the path data
and I’ll take a quick look.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I realize we forced them into this situation by wanting new links
> involving 2 sites where we already have 11 GHz.
>
>
>
> One of the sites is a water tank where it might be possible to put the
> tank between the 2 dishes, but that is not the bucking site.  That site is
> actually I think a Rohn 45 and the antennas would be close to each other,
> although not the same azimuth.
>
>
>
> It sounds like I should ask them to look at it again with one of the
> shorter links in 18 GHz.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Tim Hardy
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 7:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question
>
>
>
> The radios certainly don’t have any isolation from this type of
> interference, so what you’re relying on is totally on the antennas -
> there’s not much FSL on these and I wouldn’t bet my life on a 2’ Category B
> to provide the kind of close-coupling loss needed on a co-located system.
> AT&T and MCI used to do it when they had completely back-to-back horns or
> ultra-high performance antennas but they provide about 80 dB of
> discrimination front-to-back.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> 
>
> To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match
> at a site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the
> same direction with those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site
> overlapping a RX) . The opposite polarity increases the isolation so you
> have even less worry in this case. That H/L match idea is more of a
> tendency and to simplify planning than a rule.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof,  wrote:
>
> I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me
> have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however
> different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make
> it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.
>
>
>
> I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same
> site.
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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Steve Jones]

Who do you have doing the engineering

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 8:06 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> If there’s double the bandwidth or more in frequency separation between
> T-R at the bucking site you should be okay.  It will just be difficult to
> add frequencies / new paths at that site in the future.  Send me the path
> data and I’ll take a quick look.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I realize we forced them into this situation by wanting new links
>> involving 2 sites where we already have 11 GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the sites is a water tank where it might be possible to put the
>> tank between the 2 dishes, but that is not the bucking site.  That site is
>> actually I think a Rohn 45 and the antennas would be close to each other,
>> although not the same azimuth.
>>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like I should ask them to look at it again with one of the
>> shorter links in 18 GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Tim Hardy
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 7:38 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question
>>
>>
>>
>> The radios certainly don’t have any isolation from this type of
>> interference, so what you’re relying on is totally on the antennas -
>> there’s not much FSL on these and I wouldn’t bet my life on a 2’ Category B
>> to provide the kind of close-coupling loss needed on a co-located system.
>> AT&T and MCI used to do it when they had completely back-to-back horns or
>> ultra-high performance antennas but they provide about 80 dB of
>> discrimination front-to-back.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L
>> match at a site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the
>> same direction with those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site
>> overlapping a RX) . The opposite polarity increases the isolation so you
>> have even less worry in this case. That H/L match idea is more of a
>> tendency and to simplify planning than a rule.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof,  wrote:
>>
>> I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me
>> have one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however
>> different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make
>> it OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same
>> site.
>>
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[AFMUG] School only wifi hotspots

[Steve Jones]

Our state closed all schools
I don't know a ton about the elearning for grade school and high school.
But is like to talk the boss into dropping wifi hotspots where we can for
public access. I just don't want it abused. Our school districts here are
having students come in monday for elearning instructions... not parents.
So a bunch of kids will be relaying how tos.
It will be a disaster.
A lot of kids don't have internet. Library's will probably be closed or
parents won't want their kids at the disease keyboards and chairs.
I assume there will be some unregulated funding that will get abused and
not actually get anything accomplished.
I asked the superintendents to have their IT teams turn up outdoor wifi at
the school parking lots. But those are IT morons.
How would a guy get something set up at our POPs on the cheap for car
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Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

[Ken Hohhof]

Micronet is doing it.  I got the PCNs for review this afternoon and sent them 
this question and a couple more late today.  I don’t know what they will say 
Monday, I was looking for some info from the folks here to be ready.

 

They have never suggested bucking before, they have always been able to use the 
sub band that we already have spare radios for, and they almost always put 
single pol links in VPOL.  Also this same person did our last 2 batches of 
links.  So I assume there is some logic behind it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

 

Who do you have doing the engineering

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 8:06 PM Tim Hardy mailto:thardy...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If there’s double the bandwidth or more in frequency separation between T-R at 
the bucking site you should be okay.  It will just be difficult to add 
frequencies / new paths at that site in the future.  Send me the path data and 
I’ll take a quick look.

 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:00 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I realize we forced them into this situation by wanting new links involving 2 
sites where we already have 11 GHz.

 

One of the sites is a water tank where it might be possible to put the tank 
between the 2 dishes, but that is not the bucking site.  That site is actually 
I think a Rohn 45 and the antennas would be close to each other, although not 
the same azimuth.

 

It sounds like I should ask them to look at it again with one of the shorter 
links in 18 GHz.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Tim Hardy
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed link high/low question

 

The radios certainly don’t have any isolation from this type of interference, 
so what you’re relying on is totally on the antennas - there’s not much FSL on 
these and I wouldn’t bet my life on a 2’ Category B to provide the kind of 
close-coupling loss needed on a co-located system.  AT&T and MCI used to do it 
when they had completely back-to-back horns or ultra-high performance antennas 
but they provide about 80 dB of discrimination front-to-back.

Sent from my iPad

 

On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote:



To my knowledge the radios and dishes have enough isolation that H/L match at a 
site is not necessary unless you're almost pointing in the same direction with 
those dishes (or have a TX frequency at one site overlapping a RX) . The 
opposite polarity increases the isolation so you have even less worry in this 
case. That H/L match idea is more of a tendency and to simplify planning than a 
rule.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof, mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I am having some 11 GHz links coordinated and the draft PCNs they sent me have 
one site high on one link and low on the other link.  They are however 
different sub bands, and one is HPOL and the other is VPOL.  Does this make it 
OK?  I could probably do one of the links in 18 GHz.

 

I had internalized the idea that you never had high and low at the same site.

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