I ran the #'s through JimG's trail calc<http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php>, and interestingly enough, on 59cm frames<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0>, the trail (and presumably handling) is the same when the Roadeo has 28mm tires (60mm trail), and AHH has 40's (61mm trail). So if you like the way Rivendell's handle/steer, your choice of bike should include a decision on the size of tire you want to ride most of the time.
The threadless headset mentioned above is nice on a Roadeo, too. I'm quite the convert to those. Would like to get that option on all Rivendell bikes. Please discuss amongst yourselves. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:28 AM, James Warren <jimcwar...@earthlink.net>wrote: > > Different head angle and different wheel base, with Roadeo being steeper > and shorter respectively. I think these are important contributors to the > difference in ride. > > In addition, with 130 mm spacing, the Roadeo is more conducive to lighter > road wheels, but of course, this would be a trend and one could buck it by > having specially made light wheels with 135 mm hubs for the AHH. > > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > Well, if we were in "roadie world", where a few ounces was important, then > the Roadeo wouldn't be a very good choice, because it is substantially > heavier than other "roadie world" bikes. But I think most people on this > list agree that a few ounces, even a pound or two, doesn't significantly > affect speediness. Most of us readily pay the weight penalty of steel for > cosmetics or nostalgia or ride quality or toughness or versatility. In > fact, my experience is that a lot of Riv types prefer heavier parts, > because they distrust (often rightfully) anything optimized for racing or > for appealing to weight weenies. > > I sort of believe that the AHH and the Roadeo are 99% the same bike. Put > light parts on the AHH and you'd have a 19lb bike instead of a 18lb bike. > > > > > > On Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:14:14 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: >> >> The Roadeo has lighter tubing. It may only be a "few ounces", but in >> "roadie world" this is a significant detail. The Roadeo is Grant's effort >> to offer a "modern" lugged-steel bicycle to folks who otherwise wouldn't >> purchase a Rivendell. I'm sure it's also the answer to the question, "What >> if we built a production version of a road bike Mark Abele would order from >> Nobilette..?" >> >> Joe Bernard >> Vaallejo, CA. >> >> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:05:24 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery >> wrote: >> >>> Can anybody clearly articulate the differences between the AHH and the >>> Roadeo? I doubt the weight difference is more than a few ounces. And having >>> followed Rivendell's trajectory of bike design pretty closely for the past >>> 8 years, I'd be surprised if the geometry was vastly different between the >>> two models. So a lot of people seem to be saying the Roadeo is faster. Why? >>> >>> Personally, the few times I've tried to own a "road bike", I put very >>> few miles on it because of the lack of versatility and the inability to >>> carry much cargo. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:01:54 PM UTC-5, Duplomacette wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm seriously considering adding another Riv to my small stable of >>>> bikes. I currently own a Sam and I like it just fine but would like to >>>> have another bike with a bit more zip. The Rodeo seems like a good >>>> choice and I do like the 700 wheels mostly for more tire options BUT I >>>> feel the AHH could be a good choice too if I build it up more as a >>>> roadish bike and in the end I'd have a bike a bit more versatile than >>>> the Rodeo. Thoughts? >>> >>> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pDWNXGaTE6QJ. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > James Warren > jimcwar...@earthlink.net > > - Remember, my friends, it is better to feel fast than to be fast. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
