My point is that a roadie outside of our little corner of the world will be 
looking for the lightest Rivendell; one with 700c wheels in all sizes, and 
a threadless fork. No, I don't think the weight difference between AHH and 
Roadeo matters much to us here on the list. Pick your color/wheel 
size/braze-ons..heck, pick your favorite *name.* Either one will be fast 
and light enough.

On Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:21:02 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> Well, if we were in "roadie world", where a few ounces was important, then 
> the Roadeo wouldn't be a very good choice, because it is substantially 
> heavier than other "roadie world" bikes. But I think most people on this 
> list agree that a few ounces, even a pound or two, doesn't significantly 
> affect speediness. Most of us readily pay the weight penalty of steel for 
> cosmetics or nostalgia or ride quality or toughness or versatility. In 
> fact, my experience is that a lot of Riv types prefer heavier parts, 
> because they distrust (often rightfully) anything optimized for racing or 
> for appealing to weight weenies.
>
> I sort of believe that the AHH and the Roadeo are 99% the same bike. Put 
> light parts on the AHH and you'd have a 19lb bike instead of a 18lb bike.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:14:14 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The Roadeo has lighter tubing. It may only be a "few ounces", but in 
>> "roadie world" this is a significant detail. The Roadeo is Grant's effort 
>> to offer a "modern" lugged-steel bicycle to folks who otherwise wouldn't 
>> purchase a Rivendell. I'm sure it's also the answer to the question, "What 
>> if we built a production version of a road bike Mark Abele would order from 
>> Nobilette..?"
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vaallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:05:24 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anybody clearly articulate the differences between the AHH and the 
>>> Roadeo? I doubt the weight difference is more than a few ounces. And having 
>>> followed Rivendell's trajectory of bike design pretty closely for the past 
>>> 8 years, I'd be surprised if the geometry was vastly different between the 
>>> two models. So a lot of people seem to be saying the Roadeo is faster. Why?
>>>
>>> Personally, the few times I've tried to own a "road bike", I put very 
>>> few miles on it because of the lack of versatility and the inability to 
>>> carry much cargo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:01:54 PM UTC-5, Duplomacette wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm seriously considering adding another Riv to my small stable of 
>>>> bikes. I currently own a Sam and I like it just fine but would like to 
>>>> have another bike with a bit more zip. The Rodeo seems like a good 
>>>> choice and I do like the 700 wheels mostly for more tire options BUT I 
>>>> feel the AHH could be a good choice too if I build it up more as a 
>>>> roadish bike and in the end I'd have a bike a bit more versatile than 
>>>> the Rodeo. Thoughts?
>>>
>>>

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