The extra weight in a Homer is probably a trivial part of the whole roder + bike equation, but it's not just about the weight. Lighter tubes will flex a bit more, potentially giving a livelier feel to the machine. As an extreme counter-example, I have a Miyata 1000 tourer that I commute on. The frame and fork weigh 7-1/2 pounds IIRC. A light traditional road frame and fork are more like six pounds (the Roadeo should be around there in a middling size), and modern ultralight steel frames can carve over a pound off of that. 1-1/2 pounds are nothing compared to my 180 plus the bike in full commuting trim, but unloaded the Miyata is a heavy, dead feeling frame, nothing like a light steel racer. That is, until you add 40+ pounds of touring gear. Then the Miyata feels springier, livelier, and quite at home, while the racer carrying that load would be wobbling all over the road.
The Roadeo is intended to feel right carrying a rider and not too much more. The Hilsen will carry a moderate load or a heavier rider with grace, but might not feel as lively unloaded. You choose between them based on the intended use. Bill On Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:21:02 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Well, if we were in "roadie world", where a few ounces was important, then > the Roadeo wouldn't be a very good choice, because it is substantially > heavier than other "roadie world" bikes. But I think most people on this > list agree that a few ounces, even a pound or two, doesn't significantly > affect speediness. Most of us readily pay the weight penalty of steel for > cosmetics or nostalgia or ride quality or toughness or versatility. In > fact, my experience is that a lot of Riv types prefer heavier parts, > because they distrust (often rightfully) anything optimized for racing or > for appealing to weight weenies. > > I sort of believe that the AHH and the Roadeo are 99% the same bike. Put > light parts on the AHH and you'd have a 19lb bike instead of a 18lb bike. > > > > > > On Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:14:14 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: >> >> The Roadeo has lighter tubing. It may only be a "few ounces", but in >> "roadie world" this is a significant detail. The Roadeo is Grant's effort >> to offer a "modern" lugged-steel bicycle to folks who otherwise wouldn't >> purchase a Rivendell. I'm sure it's also the answer to the question, "What >> if we built a production version of a road bike Mark Abele would order from >> Nobilette..?" >> >> Joe Bernard >> Vaallejo, CA. >> >> On Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:05:24 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery >> wrote: >> >>> Can anybody clearly articulate the differences between the AHH and the >>> Roadeo? I doubt the weight difference is more than a few ounces. And having >>> followed Rivendell's trajectory of bike design pretty closely for the past >>> 8 years, I'd be surprised if the geometry was vastly different between the >>> two models. So a lot of people seem to be saying the Roadeo is faster. Why? >>> >>> Personally, the few times I've tried to own a "road bike", I put very >>> few miles on it because of the lack of versatility and the inability to >>> carry much cargo. >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:01:54 PM UTC-5, Duplomacette wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm seriously considering adding another Riv to my small stable of >>>> bikes. I currently own a Sam and I like it just fine but would like to >>>> have another bike with a bit more zip. The Rodeo seems like a good >>>> choice and I do like the 700 wheels mostly for more tire options BUT I >>>> feel the AHH could be a good choice too if I build it up more as a >>>> roadish bike and in the end I'd have a bike a bit more versatile than >>>> the Rodeo. Thoughts? >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_medFqEvvi0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
