I will add that "DIY" tubeless has worked very well for my Fargo, allowing me to use very, very light (360 gram!) Furious Freds in goathead country. The rims, SnoCat SLs, have quarter-sized holes around the perimeter for lightening, and tires tend to fit loosely on them. Stevie's built up the rim bed with Gorilla tape and split tube (thus adding back some of the weight of the inner tube) and applied Stan's (must try Orange Peel). The tires hold air very well for weeks and I've never "burped" a bead.
An earlier attempt to use Stan's in inner tubes was a dismal failure, I suspect because the lower pressures -- 20-25 psi -- were not enough to force the sealant into the punctures. Note that I've had the tubless F Freds at pressures from ~15 to ~35 with no problems. Note too that I have to add 2 oz more sealant at approximately 3 month intervals to replace the stuff that has dried out in our very dry climate. On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Tim Gavin <tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com> wrote: > Jim- > > In my experience with setting up my fat bike tires tubeless, I definitely > needed a compressor to get them to seat. I carry a tube in case the tire > does come off the rim, but I've never had that happen yet. > > There are multiple methods to setup tubeless. Some "factory" designs like > UST have specific rims, tires, and rim tapes that work together to seal up, > sometimes without any sealant. > > Or, you can DIY it like a lot of people. You need to seal the inside of > the rims completely, but many tapes can do this. Some folks use a split > innertube (often of a smaller size) as the rim seal, but I've had success > with 8 mil poly tape -- it's lighter and stays where it's put. The > "tubeless" valve stems with removable core are available separately. > > 1) Tape the rim -- ensure you cover all spoke holes and the tiny vent > holes (if your rims are welded). Drill and seal a hole for the valve stem. > 2) Mount tire and tube, inflate to high pressure to seat the tape and tire > beads. > 3) Carefully pull only one bead of the tire off, remove tube, insert valve > stem (without core), put bead back inside rim. > 4) Place tire horizontally on a bucket -- *loose bead down*. Inflate > with compressor to seat the loose bead. Loose bead down lets gravity help > the bead on to the seat, stem with core removed means you can use any air > tip for this step (presta compressor tips are rare). > 5) Remove valve core, add 2-4 oz of sealant, replace core. > 6) Inflate to regular pressure. The sealant will ooze and seal up any > punctures, and probably ooze around the rim bead (a wet rag is handy). The > sealant may even ooze through the sidewalls, especially of "supple" tires. > > I've never set up non-fat tires this way, and I imagine step 3 would be > tricky with the much tighter beads of many "normal" sized bike tires. > > Pros of tubeless tires: > + Mostly puncture proof > + Lighter > + Less rolling resistance > + No pinch flats, so can run lower pressures > > Cons > - Setup is messy, time consuming, and requires a compressor > > I believe your LBS is correct that the compressor is required, but > incorrect in the second claim about the tires popping off the bead if not > ridden regularly. -- The sealant will hold the tire on the bead while the > bike is stationary, even if completely flat. Of course, the tire will pop > off the bead if you try to ride it that way, but you're not a fool. > My tubeless fat tires have lost no pressure in between rides. But I don't > know how well tubeless tires hold air at higher pressures (mine are at > 10-11 psi max). > > I'm very happy with mine, but I think fat bikes are a niche that gains the > most from tubeless. I may try my Grand Bois Lierres tubeless eventually, > because they need help with puncture protection. > > Tim Gavin > Cedar Rapids, IA > > What all is involved with initial setup on tubeless? Is there a Riv-ish >> guide to doing so? >> >> My LBS told me that I needed to have an air compressor to make the tires >> seat, but I have a hard time imagining that to be true. They also said >> that if you don't ride them regularly, it's better to use tubes because the >> tire will come off the bead, which relates to needing (again) to have an >> air compressor to seat. >> >> I can't imagine random guys running tubeless all have air compressors in >> their respective garages. Or do they? >> On Feb 8, 2015 8:56 PM, "Noah Deuce" <iprufr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Two points: >>> 1. Definitely use Orange Seal. I've had much better results for initial >>> setup with it than Stans; also, doesn't create boogers in your tires after >>> time (unlike Stans). >>> >>> 2. HED Belgium C2+ is another wide, rim braking rim that works well. >>> More expensive than the Pacentis, but I've had great results with, both >>> tubed and tubeless. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. 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