Oh, I quite agree with you. It's why I stopped investigating Chef. Just to be clear, the order of operation thing isn't like cfengine's multiple passes; it is more like recipes are executed in the order defined, and if you need to "depend" on something, you include the other recipe.
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:31:05PM -0500, Joe McDonagh wrote: > > I'm with Luke on the whole Order-of-operations thing he had posted on > his blog at some point (I think in the history of puppet). I just think > it's a better design, and one of the main reasons why I didn't choose > cfengine to whip my inherited infrastructure into line. May have been > easier to start from scratch from the chef's dev POV, but the users of > cfg mgmt software are ops engs for the most part like me, and IDK about > the rest of you guys/gals who are users, but I seriously cannot maintain > order of operations that way... without losing my tiny bit of sanity > that I have left. > > Michael Robinson wrote: > >> I have the same confusion, but the initial publication of Chef was > >> made with many claims that it was just easier for them to start again > >> than to try to understand Puppet's code base or to try to participate > >> as developers. Of course, this is a development truism: It's *always* > >> easier to start from scratch, it's just not not always better. > >> > > > > AFAICT, and without having spent a lot of time investigating, Chef has > > a vastly different set of requirements. Chef implements: > > > > 1. a system that is essentially a Ruby library, rather than a stand > > alone language; and > > > > 2. has a fixed evaluation order, a la cfengine, rather than relying on > > declared dependencies and a topological sort of the dependency graph. > > (ie, the system evaluates recipes in order of declaration, rather than > > dependency order) > > > > Either would seem to make the system rather different to Puppet, > > sufficiently so that they may indeed be correct that it is easier to > > start again. > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Puppet Users" group. To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
