On Mar 4, 2009, at 5:45 PM, David Lutterkort wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:59 -0600, Luke Kanies wrote:
>>>
>>> We're grown ups.  If someone is bugging us out-of-band, we can tell
>>> them to go away, block their email, or decide to accompany them to
>>> their fabulous World of Wonder and Excitement.
>>
>> I expect this will be the general consensus.
>
> I think the only workable solution is to ignore it - not because  
> it's a
> good solution, but because all the others are even less palatable. And
> if you are at the receiving end of what feels like an improper
> recruitment attempt, send your reply to the list. Ultimately, such
> attempts are much more damaging to the other community than to  
> puppet's.

That's a great idea - just replying publicly to those private emails.

>
>> I hate having to behave like an adult, rather than a petulant,  
>> jealous
>> 9 year old. :)
>
> Don't we all ? And yet, nothing drives my 2.5 year old madder than  
> being
> ignored.

Heh.  My kids seem to get maddest when being locked in the basement,  
but YMMV. :)

>
>>> Out of curiosity, which other group is trying to snipe people away?
>>> Chef?
>>
>> Importantly, it's not a group, it's an individual member of the Chef
>> community, AJ/fujin.
>
> I can't speak to anything he may or may not have done (certainly not
> from first-hand experience) - one thing that has been sorely missing
> though is more discussion around the technical merits of one over the
> other (polite, reasoned discussion !).
>
> I certainly don't know enough about the two why they have to be  
> entirely
> separate projects, instead of having another frontend for Puppet;
> looking at the bigger picture, I don't understand why Chef can't be
> another frontend for Puppet, nor do I think that this split is in the
> best interest of either community or OSS config mgmt in general.

I have the same confusion, but the initial publication of Chef was  
made with many claims that it was just easier for them to start again  
than to try to understand Puppet's code base or to try to participate  
as developers.  Of course, this is a development truism: It's *always*  
easier to start from scratch, it's just not not always better.

-- 
It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling
exception, is composed of others. --John Andrew Holmes
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