On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Ben Beuchler wrote:

> It may be rude, but as long as they're not being threatening or
> interfering with the communication flow, it seems it would be silly to
> ban them.  To do so would seem to be saying that either:
>
> 1) the community members are too stupid to make their own decisions
> and must be protected from the dangerous teachings of the dissidents,
> or
> 2) the other community is, in fact, superior and you need to block
> communications in order to retain your own community.
>
> We're grown ups.  If someone is bugging us out-of-band, we can tell
> them to go away, block their email, or decide to accompany them to
> their fabulous World of Wonder and Excitement.
>
> Out of curiosity, which other group is trying to snipe people away?  Chef?

At the risk of naming names, I would guess it's chef amd fujin in 
particular he's talking about.

I'll say, that as someone who has been new at this and has had trouble, 
noone attempted to steer me towards them.  I actually had to specifically 
msg him and ask him what it was he was speaking of to get it out of him.

And after all that, and complaining in channel and on list that puppet was 
driving me crazy because it's anti-programmy, I stuck with it and didn't 
go to chef.

As you said, we're all grown ups.  I looked at the availability of 
examples and the userbase and decided even with it's shortcomings (and 
you're blind to think there aren't any), puppet was the way for me right 
now.

Anyone who it doesn't work for will eventually find chef anyways.  There 
is a class of people it clearly works for.  To me Ruby is a language I 
don't want to learn enough of to utilize Chef to it's fullest, but that I 
may be willing to learn enough to work around some of the puppet quirks 
that bother me.

Just my 2c.

Jason

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