Hi Geoff, This is interesting, thanks for posting. I had been sort of hoping that the trackpad could be a replacement for keyboard use, but it sounds like at best, you can use it as a supplement for the keyboard. I think I would find that more distracting than just using the keyboard, though I agree about the five-key VO commands. :)
thanks for the info. Cheers, Donna On Jul 11, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Donna and others, > > For me the quickest solution is to make extensive use of the preview pane. I > also found it helpful to go into VO utility under navigation and uncheck the > box labeled: "Automatically interact when using tab key". > > Though I can interact with the preview pane text by placing a finger on the > trackpad while pressing control, I find it more efficient to just press tab > and the text is usually read automatically. I can skim through by moving my > finger on the trackpad. To reply I press command-r. > > On high traffic lists such as this one, I turn on threaded view, and can then > expand/contract threads via the right and left arrow keys respectively. I > absolutely love the trackpad, but one gotcha (at least for me) is that while > composing text, my palm hits somewhere on the trackpad and randomly moves my > focus. I try to remember to always turn off trackpad commander during any > data entry. > > Of course YMMV, but if you're comfortable with the IOS interface, you'll > probably like getting away from the five key vo commands :). Please feel > free to contact me off list if necessary. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:51 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Donna: >> Well, I had been using the trackpad with some success, particularly for >> continuous read text. I have had success previously working with mail in >> the past. But, I just tried to reply to your post using the trackpad to get >> in place to type, and got all of nowhere. I can interact with scroll area >> to read from the top of a message, but trying to double-tap on "reply to" >> gets me nowhere. Also, I typically interact with my messages list to move >> down subject lines, and enter on anything I want to read But, on the >> trackpad, I had to stop interacting with messages just to select yours to >> try to work with. Either some things are broken/changed, or I need a quick >> refresher course. I'm guessing it's the latter. But, now you've got me >> curious. I'll let you know what I find. >> >> Carolyn >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Jim, Colin, and all, >>> >>> Not sure why, but this isn't working for me. In fact, I'm having abysmal >>> results with the trackpad commander as a whole. Does anyone seriously use >>> this thing? The only column I can get it to read in mail is the mailbox >>> column, despite swiping left and right and having it tell me I've moved to >>> a different column. Moreover, the text that is spoken when I try and >>> navigate with Trackpad Commander isn't the same as that which is spoken >>> when I use the arrow keys. I've tried all this while interacting and not >>> interacting. If anyone is really using the Trackpad commander, I'd >>> appreciate any pointers. I've used an iphone since the 3gs was released in >>> 2009, so I'm really surprised by this. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Jim Fettgather wrote: >>> >>>> According to keyboard help, you are supposed to be able to hold down the >>>> the control key and tap to jump to a linked item, such as moving from the >>>> messages table in mail to the text. >>>> >>>> I can get this to accknowledge this gesture in keyboard help, but for some >>>> reason, I cannot get it to work in the mail program. >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Esther, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for this info. I knew that there are some gestures that are >>>>> different from or not present on the iPhone, so I'm sure I'll find the >>>>> help section very useful. >>>>> >>>>> I'm really surprised that there isn't a way to open an email message >>>>> using the trackpad. that seems like a major oversight, particularly >>>>> given that this obviously works on the iPhone. It's interesting, too, >>>>> because doubletapping does work for opening an app. But, at least I know >>>>> I wasn't missing something, either in regards to this or having all >>>>> columns of the messages table read (another major oversight imho) >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Esther wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. There's a section in the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide (Chapter 11 >>>>>> on Using VoiceOver Gestures) that describes using TrackPad Commander. >>>>>> Use VO-H to bring up the help menu and press "g" to go to the "Getting >>>>>> Started Guide" and return. Open the web item rotor with VO-U and press >>>>>> "g e s" to get the two relevant sections (Chapter 11 and Appendix A >>>>>> listing the Commands and Gestures). If you want the list of standard >>>>>> gestures, go directly to Appendix A and navigate to the section on >>>>>> "VoiceOver standard gestures". (I'd use VO-U for the web rotor and press >>>>>> "s t".) A lot of these will be familiar to you from using the iPhone, >>>>>> but there are some other ones like going to the dock or menu bar (two >>>>>> finger double tap near bottom or top of trackpad), or opening the >>>>>> application or window chooser menus (two finger double tap along left or >>>>>> right sides of the trackpad), and changing how VoiceOver reads text >>>>>> (word, line, sentence, paragraph) by pressing the Command key while your >>>>>> finger touches the trackpad, that are different. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. I don't know of a way to get all the columns in the messages table >>>>>> announced at once with TrackPad commander. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. I press return to open a message in mail >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm probably not the best person to answer your questions. Maybe >>>>>> somebody else can give you better answers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Esther >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 07:18, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've finally decided to spend some time messing with the trackpad >>>>>>> commander, and have a couple of questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Is there any way to view a list of commands? when I go into the >>>>>>> assign Commands table I can see the gestures, but none of the commands >>>>>>> are displayed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. How do I navigate in Mail? Single-finger flicking takes me out of >>>>>>> the messages table unless I interact, and if I interact, VO only reads >>>>>>> the column that I'm on. I'd like to be able to hear all columns like I >>>>>>> do when not using the trackpad commander. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. How do I open a message in mail? 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