Hi Donna and all! Well Donna I hope you've got your track pad problem solved! But as far as reading the row info I've just set up a track pad shortcut for this! I've left the modifier key set as the command key! Although you can choose any of the others like Shift if you prefer! Seeing that all the strokes are available for use with the command key I was spoilt for choice! Anyway enough of that hahahaha So I picked single finger right flick opened the commands menu, went to the tables heading, right arrowed and chose read row description then stopped interacting and went to the done button [and you guest it] vo spaced on it! Now when on the table of mail which ever message I'm on I can press command and then one finger flick right and vo reads the whole row! subject,from,date and others! Anyway I hope that helps with the row thingy! Colin
On 11 Jul 2011, at 22:24, Pete Nalda wrote: > Hi all, > Here's what I do in using trackpad commander in mail. Granted, my methods > aren't as elegant as using an iPhone, but for me they work, as it gives me > the best of both worlds. To interact with the messages table, I use the tab > key, then use the arrow keys to move up and down, and the enter key to select > a message to read, then do a two finger swipe to the right to interact with > text, then two finger flick down to read the text. At that point, if I want > to reply, I'll hit cmd+R. When I do that it automatically puts my cursor at > the top of the text, and after typing I hit cmd+shift+D to send. If I want > to delete, I'll delete with backspace, or if I want to just close it, I'll do > cmd+w. Keep in mind that after deleting, the next message in the messages > table will be highlighted already, so that I just need to hit enter to read > it. I don't know if this method would work for everyone, but it's what I do. > > On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:51 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Donna: >> Well, I had been using the trackpad with some success, particularly for >> continuous read text. I have had success previously working with mail in >> the past. But, I just tried to reply to your post using the trackpad to get >> in place to type, and got all of nowhere. I can interact with scroll area >> to read from the top of a message, but trying to double-tap on "reply to" >> gets me nowhere. Also, I typically interact with my messages list to move >> down subject lines, and enter on anything I want to read But, on the >> trackpad, I had to stop interacting with messages just to select yours to >> try to work with. Either some things are broken/changed, or I need a quick >> refresher course. I'm guessing it's the latter. But, now you've got me >> curious. I'll let you know what I find. >> >> Carolyn >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Jim, Colin, and all, >>> >>> Not sure why, but this isn't working for me. In fact, I'm having abysmal >>> results with the trackpad commander as a whole. Does anyone seriously use >>> this thing? The only column I can get it to read in mail is the mailbox >>> column, despite swiping left and right and having it tell me I've moved to >>> a different column. Moreover, the text that is spoken when I try and >>> navigate with Trackpad Commander isn't the same as that which is spoken >>> when I use the arrow keys. I've tried all this while interacting and not >>> interacting. If anyone is really using the Trackpad commander, I'd >>> appreciate any pointers. I've used an iphone since the 3gs was released in >>> 2009, so I'm really surprised by this. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Jim Fettgather wrote: >>> >>>> According to keyboard help, you are supposed to be able to hold down the >>>> the control key and tap to jump to a linked item, such as moving from the >>>> messages table in mail to the text. >>>> >>>> I can get this to acknowledge this gesture in keyboard help, but for some >>>> reason, I cannot get it to work in the mail program. >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Esther, >>>>> >>>>> thanks for this info. I knew that there are some gestures that are >>>>> different from or not present on the iPhone, so I'm sure I'll find the >>>>> help section very useful. >>>>> >>>>> I'm really surprised that there isn't a way to open an email message >>>>> using the trackpad. that seems like a major oversight, particularly >>>>> given that this obviously works on the iPhone. It's interesting, too, >>>>> because double tapping does work for opening an app. But, at least I >>>>> know I wasn't missing something, either in regards to this or having all >>>>> columns of the messages table read (another major oversight imho) >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Esther wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. There's a section in the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide (Chapter 11 >>>>>> on Using VoiceOver Gestures) that describes using TrackPad Commander. >>>>>> Use VO-H to bring up the help menu and press "g" to go to the "Getting >>>>>> Started Guide" and return. Open the web item rotor with VO-U and press >>>>>> "g e s" to get the two relevant sections (Chapter 11 and Appendix A >>>>>> listing the Commands and Gestures). If you want the list of standard >>>>>> gestures, go directly to Appendix A and navigate to the section on >>>>>> "VoiceOver standard gestures". (I'd use VO-U for the web rotor and press >>>>>> "s t".) A lot of these will be familiar to you from using the iPhone, >>>>>> but there are some other ones like going to the dock or menu bar (two >>>>>> finger double tap near bottom or top of trackpad), or opening the >>>>>> application or window chooser menus (two finger double tap along left or >>>>>> right sides of the trackpad), and changing how VoiceOver reads text >>>>>> (word, line, sentence, paragraph) by pressing the Command key while your >>>>>> finger touches the trackpad, that are different. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. I don't know of a way to get all the columns in the messages table >>>>>> announced at once with TrackPad commander. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. I press return to open a message in mail >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm probably not the best person to answer your questions. Maybe >>>>>> somebody else can give you better answers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Esther >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 07:18, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've finally decided to spend some time messing with the trackpad >>>>>>> commander, and have a couple of questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Is there any way to view a list of commands? when I go into the >>>>>>> assign Commands table I can see the gestures, but none of the commands >>>>>>> are displayed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. How do I navigate in Mail? Single-finger flicking takes me out of >>>>>>> the messages table unless I interact, and if I interact, VO only reads >>>>>>> the column that I'm on. I'd like to be able to hear all columns like I >>>>>>> do when not using the trackpad commander. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. How do I open a message in mail? I would have thought you would do >>>>>>> this with a double-tap like on the iPhone, but that isn't working. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Egun On, Lagunak! 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