Agree with Ricardo. Despite sharing many gestures in common, they are very
different experiences.
I love the iPhone experience, but I almost never use the track pad. I
expect this is because I use a USB keyboard with my Mac Mini. I use the num
pad a great deal, and I suspect if I had some sort of MacBook lacking a num
pad, I would be more inclined to use the track pad.
Marc
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From: "Ricardo Walker" <rwalker...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: a couple of trackpad commander questions
Hi,
One has little to do with the other. on an iPhone, the entire OS is
optimized to be run via gesture input. Not so for snow leopard. Yes there
are some similarities but the overall experience is much different. At
least in my opinion Trackpad commander can be very helpful but you need to
choose your spots with it just like any tool. We don't use chainsaws to
slice bread right? lol. For example, I think the trackpad commander shines
when using it on the web.
Ricardo Walker
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On Jul 11, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
Hi there,
I bought a magic trackpad when they first came out. Maybe I have a
learning disability, but it seems to be more trouble then it is worth.
Maybe that will change in Lion, but for now, it just sits on my bottom
shelf. This is why I am still debating getting an Iphone in December.
Chris
On Jul 11, 2011, at 1:51 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
Hi Donna:
Well, I had been using the trackpad with some success, particularly for
continuous read text. I have had success previously working with mail in
the past. But, I just tried to reply to your post using the trackpad to
get in place to type, and got all of nowhere. I can interact with scroll
area to read from the top of a message, but trying to double-tap on
"reply to" gets me nowhere. Also, I typically interact with my messages
list to move down subject lines, and enter on anything I want to read
But, on the trackpad, I had to stop interacting with messages just to
select yours to try to work with. Either some things are broken/changed,
or I need a quick refresher course. I'm guessing it's the latter. But,
now you've got me curious. I'll let you know what I find.
Carolyn
On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
Hi Jim, Colin, and all,
Not sure why, but this isn't working for me. In fact, I'm having
abysmal results with the trackpad commander as a whole. Does anyone
seriously use this thing? The only column I can get it to read in mail
is the mailbox column, despite swiping left and right and having it tell
me I've moved to a different column. Moreover, the text that is spoken
when I try and navigate with Trackpad Commander isn't the same as that
which is spoken when I use the arrow keys. I've tried all this while
interacting and not interacting. If anyone is really using the Trackpad
commander, I'd appreciate any pointers. I've used an iphone since the
3gs was released in 2009, so I'm really surprised by this.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Jim Fettgather wrote:
According to keyboard help, you are supposed to be able to hold down
the the control key and tap to jump linked item, such as moving from
the messages table in mail to the text.
I can get this to accknowledge this gesture in keyboard help, but for
some reason, I cannot get it to work in the mail program.
Thanks
On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
Hi Esther,
thanks for this info. I knew that there are some gestures that are
different from or not present on the iPhone, so I'm sure I'll find the
help section very useful.
I'm really surprised that there isn't a way to open an email message
using the trackpad. that seems like a major oversight, particularly
given that this obviously works on the iPhone. It's interesting, too,
because doubletapping does work for opening an app. But, at least I
know I wasn't missing something, either in regards to this or having
all columns of the messages table read (another major oversight imho)
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 9, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Donna,
1. There's a section in the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide (Chapter
11 on Using VoiceOver Gestures) that describes using TrackPad
Commander. Use VO-H to bring up the help menu and press "g" to go to
the "Getting Started Guide" and return. Open the web item rotor with
VO-U and press "g e s" to get the two relevant sections (Chapter 11
and Appendix A listing the Commands and Gestures). If you want the
list of standard gestures, go directly to Appendix A and navigate to
the section on "VoiceOver standard gestures". (I'd use VO-U for the
web rotor and press "s t".) A lot of these will be familiar to you
from using the iPhone, but there are some other ones like going to
the dock or menu bar (two finger double tap near bottom or top of
trackpad), or opening the application or window chooser menus (two
finger double tap along left or right sides of the trackpad), and
changing how VoiceOver reads text (word, line, sentence, paragraph)
by pressing the Command key while your finger touches the trackpad,
that are different.
2. I don't know of a way to get all the columns in the messages table
announced at once with TrackPad commander.
3. I press return to open a message in mail
I'm probably not the best person to answer your questions. Maybe
somebody else can give you better answers.
Cheers,
Esther
On Jul 9, 2011, at 07:18, Donna Goodin wrote:
Hi all,
I've finally decided to spend some time messing with the trackpad
commander, and have a couple of questions.
1. Is there any way to view a list of commands? when I go into the
assign Commands table I can see the gestures, but none of the
commands are displayed.
2. How do I navigate in Mail? Single-finger flicking takes me out
of the messages table unless I interact, and if I interact, VO only
reads the column that I'm on. I'd like to be able to hear all
columns like I do when not using the trackpad commander.
3. How do I open a message in mail? I would have thought you would
do this with a double-tap like on the iPhone, but that isn't
working.
Thanks,
Donna
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