quoting srl:
> > *nod* i've found that being "one of the guys"--- wearing jeans or khakis,
> > sport shirts (cotton, non-flannel), and boots--- gets me places with
> > technical people that I wouldn't get if i dressed more "feminine".
> > I've discussed this with my butch acquaintances and they've found the same
> > thing.
> >
> > For some reason, there's a prevailing assumption that feminine =
> > non-technical. Either that, or male geeks get along better with people
> > like them....
i think it's the fact that 'feminine' dressing is so much more...
involved? superficial? than 'male' dressing. most of the geeks i know,
male and female, tend to dress for comfort and practicality first,
everything else second. it's part of the hold 'body doesn't matter, mind
does'. while i like to dress up for /myself/ at times (thigh-high lace
up black pvc boots, here i come!), it's only on special occasions that i
go 'girly' -- because if i wore all my weird
pvc/leather/sparkly/tight/form-fitting club-going clothing at work,
where i basically sit in front of a crt all day, i'd... well, get really
sweaty and look stupid. in a technical job (or situation such as staying
up all night coding in your garage), feminine clothing just really isn't
suited. just /try/ putting together a box while wearing panty-hose, i
dare ya. it's not the /gender/ of the clothing, imho, so much as the
impracticality of said clothing.
that said, there's about one woman in my department who does dress both
fairly stylishly and femininely (if typically in either pants or very
long skirts) and as far as i can tell she's basically treated like
everyone else, because she's competant and gets her job done (in
addition to being quite beautiful).
quoting curious:
> I wonder how much of this comes from the "corporate atmosphere" ie. in
> dance groups men who are more "feminine" seem to be more respected then
> those that are not... perhaps the environment (perhaps shapped by xyz male
> syndrom) leads to an expectation of a certian dress for a "techie"
to rehash: techie dress == for convenience. i
> Certain types of clothing bother other people depending on the
> environment.. for instance... wearing jeans and t-shirt to a place where
> suit and tie are expected.. is just odd.. and leads to less respect in
> cases...
can lead to get you sent back home, in a lot of cases.
> For those of you who work for companies with more then one "techie"
> female.. do females also hold similar bias to females who dress "feminine"
nope. most of the women here dress in jeans and t-shirt just like the
guys -- but then, all of our /manangers/ dress that way, too. the only
people i've ever seen in suits'n'ties are either:
- sales people
- new folks here on an interview
or
- security guards.
but aside from that little disclaimer -- the only bias i could see any
of my coworkers having is if someone's fashion choices somehow affected
their /job/.
after all, no one seems to care about race (fairly multicultural
office), gender (lots and lots of women, including my boss), sexual
orientation (at least one person out as gay, possibly more including
myself depending on how people view the pride sticker on my car), and
religion (quick example: we have a nice muslim man working for an
equally nice very very pagan woman. peacefully).
(okay -- amanda -- am i on crack here? is this your perception, too?)
the possibility of my company being some sort of nirvana aside, i really
think what most techie people seem to go on at bottom line is
competance. they only discriminate if something interferes with that.
--
Susannah D. Rosenberg / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / gravity.dyn.dhs.org
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