On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Stelian Mocanita < stelian.mocan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why we want to block it? What's wrong in convincing people that your > > idea is OK (or that it's not OK, for that matter)? Isn't it kind of the > > whole point of discussing it? > > > While I agree with discussing an ongoing vote, I do not find it ok for > people > to be able to see the current status of an ongoing vote. This might lead to > harassing people into voting just to change the outcome. Clear example: > The vote score is 21-7 so I know I need another vote to pass, so I call in > an acquaintance or friend to vote my way. > > All the democratic votes I have in mind are hidden until the vote closes, > and here I am referring to any election out there, or even referendum. > > So now parallel to voting we get threads announcing everybody's votes. > > Yay, more noise! > > Or, even worse, given current tendencies, somebody submits a proposal, > > couple of people say "yeah good idea", then vote happens and somehow > > there's 30 "no" votes without any explanation - and without possibility > > to fix it since by the time the proposer knows it the proposal is > > already declined. It wouldn't be very encouraging to submit RFCs with > > such process. > > > You misunderstood me or I did not formulate that clear enough. What I meant > to say is that there are already people that go in the existing opened > voting > thread and explain their vote, e.g. "I voted no on this because I think > that won't > work". I was not referring here to each one opening a thread, sorry for > explaining > it poorly. > > Stelian > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:44 PM, <johnc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I like the current open voting better for the following reasons: 1, if we hide the votes until the vote is closed, there is also possible that some votes will pass, because people are lazy, and they will think, oh, this will surely pass/fail, no reason for me to care, then they will be surprised/disappointed. 2, similarly, if somebody is lobbying on private channels, it would be much more easier for that to go unnoticed (the usual amount of votes for an RFC to pass is something like 20-30, so if you can reach that many voters you can just keep your rfc low profile and then won. 3, there are a couple of people (mostly from the oldtimers) who can or could be able to see the votes anyways (with the current doodle voting plugin), so it could cause some accusations which we have no way to prove/refute that somebody peeked. I'm fairly sure that we could man up to not misuse those options, but I think that the risk and potential drama coming from the hidden votes would cost us more than what's it worth. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
