Hi! > While I agree with discussing an ongoing vote, I do not find it ok for > people > to be able to see the current status of an ongoing vote. This might lead to > harassing people into voting just to change the outcome. Clear example:
You frame trying to change people's mind as something negative (harassing), but that's exactly what we're doing during discussion period. If not that, we wouldn't need it - just publish RFC and go directly to vote, nobody "harasses" anybody with discussion. I hope you don't think it is a good idea. I think we are all adult enough to be able to handle discussion on the merits of the proposals, and if someone has enough of it, it's ok too - nobody is forced to participate. But I think openness is an important condition of participation. > The vote score is 21-7 so I know I need another vote to pass, so I call in > an acquaintance or friend to vote my way. So, what's bad in it? Either you friend genuinely thinks your RFC is good, and then there's no harm in having him vote so, or he just mindlessly votes yes without reading, in which case he should not vote at all, whether it's open or closed. > All the democratic votes I have in mind are hidden until the vote closes, The votes in political elections are hidden forever, not until the vote closes. The reason is twofold: 1) it prevents voter intimidation and retaliation and 2) it makes bribing the voter harder, since you can not ensure somebody you bribed actually voted the way you wanted. However, neither your proposal proposes secret ballots nor any of the problems really shown to be exist for RFCs - I don't know anybody who was intimidated or retaliated against because of PHP RFC vote, and I never heard of anybody being afraid to vote on an RFC. Also, I haven't heard about anybody trying to bribe RFC vote. > You misunderstood me or I did not formulate that clear enough. What I meant > to say is that there are already people that go in the existing opened > voting > thread and explain their vote, e.g. "I voted no on this because I think That's fine. However, a stream of +1/-1 comments is usually not necessary because the vote shows it. However, with vote closed, for the RFC author to be sure they're not wasting their time, it'd be necessary to solicit pre-vote votes, otherwise there's no chance to fix RFC before it fails. -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
