On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:17AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > Is this a reply to me or to Pierre? > > I have not mentioned 63% anywhere. I have stated that we have a > policy that states that a podling must have an open and diverse > meritocratic community. The link you put in your reply says exactly > that.
it was question to Daniel because I don't see where proposed podling fails to have "an open and diverse meritocratic community"; alas I don't see where the alleged "policy scraping" is happening. The only quantitative data point I have seen so far is these "63%" - hence my reference. If this conversation has any attempt to be actionable - let's at least try to be fact-of-matter. So far it was just a vague pointing to the out-of-context quotes from the Incubator's guidelines. Regards, Cos > With regards, > Daniel. > > On 2015-07-22 00:16, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > >Sorry, which part of the quoted policy the 63% is allegedly scraping out? > > > >For easy reference, here's the link > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > > > >to the document containing the section of "Creating an Open and Diverse > >community". So far I haven't heard a single matter of fact evidence > >supporting > >your claim. > > > >Thanks > > Cos > > > >On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >>On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > >>>Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation. > >>So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A > >>major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse > >>meritocratic community."? > >> > >>I think not. > >> > >> > >>>What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project > >>>understand how to make releases and are building community. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>>>Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to > >>>>nowhere. > >>>> > >>>>If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman and > >>>>yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of > >>>>intended > >>>>project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows to > >>>>77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither > >>>>regarding healthiness. > >>>> > >>>>Best regards, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Pierre Smits > >>>> > >>>>*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>>Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>>Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>>Services and Retail & Trade > >>>>http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>> > >>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list for a > >>>>>number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back in > >>>>>2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who want > >>>>>to look it up in the archives MessageId is > >>>>>73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com): > >>>>> > >>>>>[quote] > >>>>>There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior > >>>>>requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. > >>>>>We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a > >>>>>diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure > >>>>>out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). > >>>>>I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... > >>>>>and I have no cycles to spare. > >>>>> > >>>>>A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment > >>>>>status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would > >>>>>create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. > >>>>>[/quote] > >>>>> > >>>>>Regards, > >>>>> Cos > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >>>>>>It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation > >>>>>>(Gridgrain). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and > >>>>independece? > >>>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Pierre Smits > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>>dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < > >>>>>amareshw...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the > >>>>>automated > >>>>>>>>and managed flow of information between systems." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I dont see any such on project website - > >>>>>>>>http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ > >>>>>>>>Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E > >>>>>>>>. > >>>>>>>>You might want to correct it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding > >>>>the > >>>>>>>>description > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Thanks > >>>>>>>>Amareshwari > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>>>>dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Hello Apache Incubator, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established > >>>>>>>>consensus > >>>>>>>>>and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing > >>>>>>>>>graduation to TLP. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Vote thread: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html > >>>>>>>>>Summary of the vote results: > >>>>>>>>>+1 (non-binding) = 14 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) > >>>>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) > >>>>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a > >>>>>consensus > >>>>>>>>>within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Below is our proposed resolution: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Thank you > >>>>>>>>>Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > >>>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > >>>>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > >>>>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > >>>>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > >>>>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of > >>>>>>>>> information between systems. > >>>>>>>Should be: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>--------- > >>>>>>>"related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance, > >>>>>>>integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and > >>>>>transacting > >>>>>>>on large-scale data sets in real-time" > >>>>>>> -------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > >>>>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", > >>>>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is > >>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > >>>>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information > >>>>>>>>> between systems and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" > >>>>be > >>>>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > >>>>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > >>>>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary > >>>>>responsibility > >>>>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of > >>>>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it > >>>>further > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > >>>>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that > >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice > >>>>President, > >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the > >>>>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > >>>>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; > >>>>>>>>> and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is > >>>>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > >>>>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the > >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby > >>>>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the > >>>>Apache > >>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > >>>>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
