On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote:
> Nitpicking time. > > Your supposedly vendor-neutral web site says: > "GridGain Community Edition is a binary build of Apache Ignite created > by GridGain, which includes optional LGPL dependencies, such as > Hibernate L2 cache integration and Geospatial Indexing. It benefits from > continued testing by GridGain engineers and may contain latest bug fixes > and features that will be included into the future official Apache > Ignite releases." > > - I consider this very biased towards a single company (especially > considering it is the _only_ 3rd party listed, and you do _not_ specify > how other 3rd parties may get listed on the page). Good point. I have added text specifying how other companies can provide their community editions for Apache Ignite. You start off by saying you don't endorse it, and then you praise it - it's > either or. We started out by providing just a blank link, but it became very confusing to our users, and we allowed GridGain to add a brief description. I have just updated the text of the description to strip it out of anything other than facts. I don't think it conflicts with Ignite not officially endorsing this edition. > > Your web site also lists the organizational affiliation of PMC members. > While this may be useful internally in the ASF, I fail to see why this > is mentioned on the web site. This should have no relevance to the > project whatsoever. > Although I see your point, I don't think it's harmful one way or another. All the community members voluntarily and willingly provided their company affiliation. > > You point to gridgain.org for several of your documentation segments, > this is also not acceptable. > This is not on purpose. The documentation was initially migrated from GridGain and some old links might have sneaked in. I cannot find any places with gridgain.org links you are referencing. Can you please point those out, so I can quickly fix them? > > I would very much like to see this rectified before we get to an actual > vote, or I will possibly be casting a -1. > > With regards, > Daniel. > > > On 07/21/2015 10:48 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > > > On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > >> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation. > > > > So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A > > major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse > > meritocratic community."? > > > > I think not. > > > > > >> > >> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project > >> understand how to make releases and are building community. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to > >>> nowhere. > >>> > >>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman > and > >>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of > intended > >>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows > to > >>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither > >>> regarding healthiness. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> > >>> Pierre Smits > >>> > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list > for a > >>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back > in > >>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who > want > >>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is > >>>> 73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com): > >>>> > >>>> [quote] > >>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior > >>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. > >>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a > >>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure > >>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). > >>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... > >>>> and I have no cycles to spare. > >>>> > >>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment > >>>> status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would > >>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. > >>>> [/quote] > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Cos > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 > organisation > >>>>> (Gridgrain). > >>>>> > >>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and > >>> independece? > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Pierre Smits > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < > >>>> amareshw...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the > >>>> automated > >>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website - > >>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ > >>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E > >>>>>>> . > >>>>>>> You might want to correct it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding > >>> the > >>>>>>> description > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> Amareshwari > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established > >>>>>>> consensus > >>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing > >>>>>>>> graduation to TLP. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vote thread: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results: > >>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) > >>>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) > >>>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) > >>>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a > >>>> consensus > >>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thank you > >>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > >>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > >>>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > >>>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > >>>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > >>>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of > >>>>>>>> information between systems. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Should be: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --------- > >>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a > high-performance, > >>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and > >>>> transacting > >>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time" > >>>>>> -------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > >>>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", > >>>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is > >>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > >>>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information > >>>>>>>> between systems and be it further > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" > >>> be > >>>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > >>>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > >>>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary > >>>> responsibility > >>>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of > >>>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it > >>> further > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > >>>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > >>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that > >>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice > >>> President, > >>>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the > >>>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > >>>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; > >>>>>>>> and be it further > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is > >>>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > >>>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the > >>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby > >>>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the > >>> Apache > >>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > >>>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
