On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:38AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > > On 2015-07-22 00:41, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > >On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:17AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >>Is this a reply to me or to Pierre? > >> > >>I have not mentioned 63% anywhere. I have stated that we have a > >>policy that states that a podling must have an open and diverse > >>meritocratic community. The link you put in your reply says exactly > >>that. > >it was question to Daniel because I don't see where proposed podling fails to > >have "an open and diverse meritocratic community"; alas I don't see where the > >alleged "policy scraping" is happening. The only quantitative data point I > >have seen so far is these "63%" - hence my reference. > I wrote "scrap", not "scrape". They are two different words with > different meanings.
Sorry, of course "scrap" - damn phone auto-incorrect ;) > I was referring to Ted's argument that diversity was not a bar to > graduation, which seems to contradict our policy. I let Ted to address your comment. > Either that published policy needs to be changed (and that should be > done outside this podling discussion), or the graduation needs to > adhere to that policy. But simply ignoring it is not something I am > willing to do. Ignoring what exactly? The "diverse" language in the Incubator guidelines (again, not the policy) is extremely vague and is evidently a subject to all sorts of interpretations. But let's have a further discussion about the exact semantics of it elsewhere, if desired. Cos > WIth regards, > Daniel. > > > > >If this conversation has any attempt to be actionable - let's at least try to > >be fact-of-matter. So far it was just a vague pointing to the out-of-context > >quotes from the Incubator's guidelines. > > > >Regards, > > Cos > > > >>With regards, > >>Daniel. > >> > >>On 2015-07-22 00:16, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > >>>Sorry, which part of the quoted policy the 63% is allegedly scraping out? > >>> > >>>For easy reference, here's the link > >>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > >>> > >>>to the document containing the section of "Creating an Open and Diverse > >>>community". So far I haven't heard a single matter of fact evidence > >>>supporting > >>>your claim. > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>> Cos > >>> > >>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >>>>On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > >>>>>Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation. > >>>>So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A > >>>>major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse > >>>>meritocratic community."? > >>>> > >>>>I think not. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project > >>>>>understand how to make releases and are building community. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > >>>>>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to > >>>>>>nowhere. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman > >>>>>>and > >>>>>>yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of > >>>>>>intended > >>>>>>project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows > >>>>>>to > >>>>>>77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither > >>>>>>regarding healthiness. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Pierre Smits > >>>>>> > >>>>>>*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>>>>Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>>>>Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>>>>Services and Retail & Trade > >>>>>>http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> > >>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list > >>>>>>>for a > >>>>>>>number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back > >>>>>>>in > >>>>>>>2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who > >>>>>>>want > >>>>>>>to look it up in the archives MessageId is > >>>>>>>73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com): > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>[quote] > >>>>>>>There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior > >>>>>>>requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. > >>>>>>>We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a > >>>>>>>diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure > >>>>>>>out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). > >>>>>>>I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... > >>>>>>>and I have no cycles to spare. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment > >>>>>>>status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would > >>>>>>>create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. > >>>>>>>[/quote] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Regards, > >>>>>>> Cos > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >>>>>>>>It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation > >>>>>>>>(Gridgrain). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and > >>>>>>independece? > >>>>>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Pierre Smits > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>>>>dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < > >>>>>>>amareshw...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the > >>>>>>>automated > >>>>>>>>>>and managed flow of information between systems." > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>I dont see any such on project website - > >>>>>>>>>>http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ > >>>>>>>>>>Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E > >>>>>>>>>>. > >>>>>>>>>>You might want to correct it. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding > >>>>>>the > >>>>>>>>>>description > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Thanks > >>>>>>>>>>Amareshwari > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>>>>>>dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>>>>wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Hello Apache Incubator, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established > >>>>>>>>>>consensus > >>>>>>>>>>>and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing > >>>>>>>>>>>graduation to TLP. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Vote thread: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html > >>>>>>>>>>>Summary of the vote results: > >>>>>>>>>>>+1 (non-binding) = 14 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) > >>>>>>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) > >>>>>>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a > >>>>>>>consensus > >>>>>>>>>>>within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Below is our proposed resolution: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Thank you > >>>>>>>>>>>Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > >>>>>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > >>>>>>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > >>>>>>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > >>>>>>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > >>>>>>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of > >>>>>>>>>>> information between systems. > >>>>>>>>>Should be: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>--------- > >>>>>>>>>"related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance, > >>>>>>>>>integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and > >>>>>>>transacting > >>>>>>>>>on large-scale data sets in real-time" > >>>>>>>>> -------- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > >>>>>>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", > >>>>>>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is > >>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > >>>>>>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information > >>>>>>>>>>> between systems and be it further > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" > >>>>>>be > >>>>>>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > >>>>>>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > >>>>>>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary > >>>>>>>responsibility > >>>>>>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of > >>>>>>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it > >>>>>>further > >>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > >>>>>>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > >>>>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that > >>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice > >>>>>>President, > >>>>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the > >>>>>>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > >>>>>>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; > >>>>>>>>>>> and be it further > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is > >>>>>>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > >>>>>>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the > >>>>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby > >>>>>>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the > >>>>>>Apache > >>>>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >>>>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > >>>>>>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
