Re: Pope Donald The First

'[email protected]' via Everything List Wed, 07 May 2025 13:58:20 -0700

 I would say that many times the US has kicked out illegals and the Supreme 
Court hasn't upheld oppostion to this practice. Moreover, since illegal aliens 
are a global issue, consider the actions of other nations regarding 
immigration. Germany has adapted to change. I suspect Sweden will 
too.Meanwhile....
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Germany's new government vows tougher border controls

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On Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 12:10:58 PM EDT, Henrik Ohrstrom
<[email protected]> wrote:

The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution, which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or
property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th
Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining
both procedural and substantive rights.
Cited from your own legal stuff. So, no. Illegals should be treated with due
process of law. That's not the same as being allowed into a country or getting
whatever you want. However, the US has not been great at due process before
Maga et al so maybe we should not be surprised at the current state of affairs.
If you come to Sweden in an illegal way you will be kindly kicked out with due
process of law. There are lots of rights afforded to someone entering the
country illegally. Not being sent to a concentration camp abroad for example?
Even more to your own citizens and your heroic jackboots seems to ignore even
that.
When it comes to people's democratic Republics, I do not want any fuck at all
with them. Not China, not Russia not north Korea nor anything with MAGA USA.
Europe (Sweden in my case) don't want nothing with China, bunch of autocratic
fascist. If you suddenly are so bloody paranoid about them, maybe you shouldn't
alienate the continent that foolishly thought they were allied with you. And
also who until a tradewar started by trump wanted nothing more than continuous
trade with the USA. Now fascist in the west, fascist in the east. Who should we
give our money?We don't want no-one of them. Maybe all the other continents?

Den ons 7 maj 2025 16:25'[email protected]' via Everything List
<[email protected]> skrev:

Henrik, no. Those who enter illegally have no due process, historically. Due
process only applied to citizens and legal residents. This has been supported
by consecutive Supreme Court rulings. It is also reciprocated by other nations
the illegals enter from where illegals have come from. I can't go to Bolivia
and demand due process before they kick me out, for example.
Now, the succession of California seems achievable, and since the neighboring
states Oregon and Washington are similarly ideological, yourPeople's Republic
has a better chance. Should we plan for hostilities netqween us, or are you
going to have the People's Republic of China defend you, an outsourcing?
On Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 12:17:45 AM EDT, Henrik Ohrstrom
<[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, a split where california splits of from the people's democratic Republic
of America would be good for the californians. I certainly agree.

Do you think that people, not just US citizens, but everyone are entitled to
due process before getting deported?

Den ons 7 maj 2025 01:04'[email protected]' via Everything List
<[email protected]> skrev:

The bottom line is that your fix for the world's ills have gotten us nowhere.
But because of ideology, you won't self correct. Promising and never delivering
is not a cool thing. That a plurality of the American people have walked away
from this should be no surprise. Deliver the goods or go home. This is factual
in the US, Canada and yes, dear Europe. No excuses for Dem paymasters like the
Open Society Foundation (George), The Rockerfeller Brothers Fund, Reid Hoffman
of LinkedIn, or some declining Entertainment Bozos.While I have your attention,
what do you feel about a national split? Could it work?
On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 05:25:29 PM EDT, PGC <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 8:00:26 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote:

Woke? no, I am anti-Woke. Simply cuz its damaging to the societies that do
woke crap, based on being nice nice on say, race, sex, with no other discerning
qualification, such as say, temperment, or math skill. Are you going to hold
yourself as the "authority," on all issues? I don't. Especially, if I get my
conclusions by people who seem to be accurate. But, knock yourself out, if this
suits you?

You’ve panicked and gone full kitchen sink—tariffs, Islamists, civil war, John
Kerry, Saul Alinsky, cobalt mines, hydrogen cars, witch trials, and a 2014
oligarchy study—without addressing a single claim with real evidence or updated
economic data. That’s the clearest sign you’re dodging: flood the conversation
with chaos, so no fact can breathe.

The MSN headline about manufacturers being “overwhelmed” sounds dramatic, but
it’s cherry-picked PR from trade groups and doesn't reflect sustained economic
impact. Real data shows Trump's tariffs raised costs for U.S. companies and
consumers, shrank export markets, and didn't bring supply chains home.
[Source: Peterson Institute, Brookings, National Bureau of Economic Research]

As for AfD and immigration: nobody needs to “accuse”—AfD is officially under
surveillance by German intelligence for extremist ties. Jewish and democratic
watchdogs aren’t buying the “they’re just patriotic” spin. That’s not
witch-hunting, that’s called evidence-based national security.
[Source: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV), Deutsche Welle]
But no, I am not for prohibiting them. They should, like you here, be made to
answer questions. Then everybody gets to see the full kitchen sink of dodging +
nonsense they're offering without the algorithmic glow of the forbidden tinfoil
thing only they have been able to uncover.

Your rant about Gore promising hydrogen cars and being let down is cute, but
also irrelevant. Or do you feel entitled to get a car from voting? Mitch, you
just confused... boy. Meanwhile, EVs are booming thanks to policies Gore
advocated. That’s progress, not betrayal.

Citing the 2014 “oligarchy” study from UPI doesn’t prove "your side" is
right—it proves the entire system has deep structural issues. But guess what?
Trump didn't dismantle oligarchy. He staffed it. Hedge funds, oil barons, media
owners—they didn’t lose power under him. They gained.

On cobalt: yes, mining it is a serious ethical issue. So is oil extraction,
rare earth exploitation, and coal burning. Progress means fixing the problems,
not retreating into 1950s nostalgia with wood-fired nationalist fantasy and
tinfoil geopolitics.

Finally, quoting Alinsky doesn’t cover the fact you haven’t offered a real
alternative—just a patchwork of slogans, resentments, and threats of civil war.
That’s not vision. That’s emotional escapism. And it's why conspiratorial
movements always have to up the ante: because reality doesn't validate them—so
the fiction must grow louder.
And citing every topic under the sun to divert attention from the lack of
substance and no ability to read pie charts... Why anybody would talk physics
or fundamental science with you, who is both woke (where's my hydrogen car,
mom? Mom?! Look at me, I is doing Physics! Cuz I is as smart as the woke cuz I
post with them? I read PkD? I knows the bible...) and anti-woke (tariffs,
islamists, civil war, Alinsky). This is 1984 doublespeak par excellence.
Lol, ROI? Cutting fundamental cancer research because it lacks immediate ROI is
short-sighted. Fundamental discoveries often take years, sometimes over a
thousand—or a moment of insight—to revolutionize medicine, engineering, and all
the other woke projects running since 2000 years. Penicillin, mRNA tech,
CRISPR: all came from basic research. If we must speak economically,
fundamental science delivers the highest long-term return of any human
endeavor. The fact that we can’t predict when a breakthrough comes is why we
keep funding it. You suck up to woke authors, hate the woke, call them
Professor, pretend to be interested in their work, like the sycophant culture
around the guy, you were disillusioned with a few years ago, only to vote him
back in, and believe the Coollaid a second time, with full access to evidence
the first time around.
Nah, you don't deserve to be silenced and I won't be your authority. You
deserve to be platformed for all to see. Like every despot-in-chief, like the
last time, and the times ahead. We need your historical example. And nope, you
don't need my refutation. I just have to hold up a pie chart and you run to
PKD, Alinsky, cry about your missing hydrogen car, and denounce fundamental
science while sucking dicks on a fundamental science list.
And yes, people should see this over and over again. So post yourself forward
to forget this as fast as you can. And just go kitchen sink as far out as you
can to prove your "points".

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