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Le mar. 6 mai 2025, 16:07, '[email protected]' via Everything List <
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> I usually can back uo my claims when its worth it? I, also can claim, with
> great, confidence, that the MSM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the D
> party. If you cannot objectively look at counter claims, that is not my
> cross to bear. The Donald is a gambler, so based on what happens in the
> real world, I am willing to see when he succeeds or fails? Let us all FAFO
> and consider it an experiement? Color me Not Risk Averse. Krugman is a
> centrist like Bernie Sanders is a "Social Democrat," a figleaf to cover Joe
> Stalin, or as I term it, Joe Stalin in a Dior evening gown. More precisely,
> its the flavor or the EU and its increasingly, tyranical, practices.
> Starmer arrests and jails people for posting unpleasent items in FaceBook.
> France and Germany ban parties, & candidates, obstensibly to save us all
> from Nazis.Personally, for National Socialists, I'd prefer to battle them
> in the streets myself, then ban AdD, which is less anti-Semitic in action,
> then, say, Macron's Socialist Party, or the German Social Democrats,
> Starmer's Labor, in my opinion. The US Demoicrats have surely become the
> true party of hate domestically, So for me, there's no going back..
>
> Domestically, the last Democratic candidate I voted for was Al Gore. He
> promised me a hydrogen powered car. So after 25 years, where's my hydrogen
> powered car? So, we all evolve as we must to survive. Or as a real
> economist, Thomas Sowell said: "Life isn't always about fixes. Life is
> often about trade offs."
>
> Ciao!
>
> On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 08:58:21 AM EDT, PGC <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Zero facts and nothing but parroting the worst quality right wing feeds.
> Also, still not anything on-topic for this list.
>
> You say “technology may rob us all,” yet back a political figure whose
> actual economic policies fast-track that very outcome. Under Trump, wealth
> consolidation accelerated: massive tax cuts went to corporations and the
> ultra-wealthy, with no structural plan for middle-class revival. Tariffs
> were sold as populist rebalancing but were passed onto consumers, raising
> prices while the promised return of industrial jobs never materialized in
> any sustained way. If anything, his approach gutted government capacity to
> respond to crises while increasing military spending—classic upward wealth
> transfer disguised as populism.
>
> Your lament about globalism and NAFTA mirrors critiques even centrists
> like Krugman have admitted, but cherry-picking Krugman’s disillusionment
> ignores the broader context: the devastation came not just from trade deals
> but from how governments responded. Instead of reinvesting the gains into
> worker retraining, infrastructure, or regional development,
> politicians—yes, across parties—let financial elites capture the surplus.
> Trump didn’t reverse this trend; he turbocharged it. His administration
> systematically weakened labor protections, environmental regulations, and
> oversight of wealth concentration while appointing Goldman Sachs alumni to
> key economic posts.
>
> As for immigration and crime, the evidence doesn't support your narrative.
> Violent crime rates have trended down for decades and immigrants—documented
> or otherwise—commit crimes at lower rates than native-born citizens. The
> Census counting noncitizens has always been part of constitutional
> apportionment; it’s not a Democratic conspiracy, it’s how representative
> democracy functions. If that bothers you, your problem is with the
> Constitution, not a political party.
>
> The idea that NGOs are a front for DNC offspring is a conspiratorial red
> herring. USAID and similar agencies, while imperfect, operate under
> bipartisan oversight and fund a wide range of global programs including
> health initiatives, disaster relief, and democratic development. If $4.7
> trillion is “untraceable,” that’s not a documented fact but an inflated,
> context-free talking point—often spread through misreadings of budget line
> items over decades. If you cheer cuts to USAID and global aid efforts,
> understand what you're applauding: more children without clean water, more
> mothers unable to access medicine, more communities left to starve after
> floods and droughts. These aren't abstract numbers—they're kids going blind
> from vitamin deficiency, infants dying from preventable diarrhea, entire
> generations locked into cycles of poverty and illness. That’s the
> real-world impact of defunding humanitarian infrastructure. It’s what Pope
> Francis tried to warn against: a world where cruelty is excused as
> efficiency, and solidarity dismissed as weakness. Supporting leaders who
> gut aid while boosting military budgets and shielding billionaires isn't
> anti-elitist—it's just punishing the poor for being born on the wrong side
> of a border. The suffering is real. And if we fund bombs but not bread,
> history will remember who made that choice. And if you cannot see this,
> then it's you and people like you who don't have genuine faith in their
> god/religion while bashing godless progressives.
>
> Ironically, you propose AI governance as a “fix” to the oligarchy, even as
> you fear it being controlled by billionaires. That contradiction captures
> the core issue: rage against elites without a coherent solution. Trump
> isn’t the enemy of oligarchy—he’s its current mascot. His policies, his
> instincts, his allies all serve the concentration of power and wealth. The
> middle class is a talking point, not a beneficiary.
>
> If you're serious about solutions, start by demanding transparency,
> fairness in taxation, real infrastructure investment, labor empowerment,
> and a democratic system where both parties are accountable to the public,
> not just donors. On this, everybody agrees. No matter party lines. But that
> means rejecting empty populism and looking closely at results—not just
> slogans and flattering feeds; to go around and pretend you know something
> beyond your opinion. If you can't take part in the science orientation of
> the list without re-posting woke work, stick to facts that are verifiable
> from multiple perspectives instead of blindly following the algorithm and a
> "leader", whose actions lead to increased deaths of children etc. for his
> bottom line. Also wonder: where is Ukrainian peace and all the
> affordability with money falling from the sky. Let us know, when tariffs
> materialize that for you and you can buy yourself a dinner with Jesus
> through meme coin purchase.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 2:31:31 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote:
>
> Technology may rob us all if the super rich can profit off each other
> alone, and ignore the useless eaters of the middle class and poor? Like the
> scifi film 2013 Elysium. That is a discussion beyond the capabilities of
> this wee forum, say I.  Globalism and NAFTA its a failure. for the middle
> class. Even NYT economist and agiotprop Paul Krugman, declared it so a
> couple of years back. Plus, the wonder-world promised by money men, Soros
> and his brother Klaus Schwab never came about. Their anti-nationalist
> ideology paid nothing out, like a bad slot machine that never pays. The UN
> for war-a failure. The WEF/EU? A sad experiemnt that looks like it was a
> means to crush the locals, by importing their own voters and enforcers.
>
> The Democrats did this with the open border policiy. 11.5 million illegals
> in, to be counted in the US Census as residents to apportion the Dems more
> congressional seats. Globally for immigration and street crime? A very bady
> move, again playing immigrants directly against nationalist-leaning locals,
> purposefully.
>
> In the US the amount of cash gone to NGO's, a wholly -owned subsidiary of
> the D-party's leaders and their offspring, mean't to appear virtuous, has
> caused 4.7 trillion dollars in over 12 years become untraceable. Much of
> this went to USAID, which JC has lamented its closure.
>
> I say we can all do better. What's the fixes? Well, politically, I do have
> to say (being a nutter) that AI governance is worth looking at.Yes, he he
> owns the companies, would then rule the serfs via AI. But its a way
> potentially of breaking oligarchs. In any case, reducing the immigration of
> hostiles is a start. Deportation of hostiles is something I support. Having
> US taxpayers invest a tiny portion of their income to the markets,  has
> made US Congressional politicians quite wealthy. So if it works for Nancy
> Pelosi, and it does, , why not for the rest of us? Let us copy their
> corrupt method to ensure a R.O.I.?  R&D with directed goals, say on energy
> and medicine is another factor. Space, yes, energy and minerals in
> abundance. Blank checks, say with fusion for 70 years seems unproductive.
> I'm still waiting pervoskite solar cells too.
>
> That's my laundry list for now, The US has long not been a republic. We're
> an oligarchy, a plutocracy, properly, where the very rich get their
> policies enacted for their benefit, while appearing virtuous. Typically,
> via a single party.
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 5, 2025 at 12:18:32 PM EDT, PGC <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, May 4, 2025 at 10:23:07 PM UTC+2 [email protected] wrote:
>
> Actually, yes he is* bombastic*, and puts that in the process with
> negotiations. Sometimes it even works! At the end of the day, its not
> personality that we serfs live and die upon, but rather public policies. I
> hold that the Starmer-Soros-Schwab-WEF-Macon-Obama- policies have worked
> very, aggressively badly. In real life, planet earth. Just as Britons tend
> to think differently than yanks, Comrade Xi, Putin, and the Ayatollahs
> think differently than both of us. For pragmatic reasons, I'd have sided
> with the previous boys IF these were good for the middle class. Sadly they
> weren't.
>
> So, for most of us, its substance over style. One can be extremely
> charming as all UK PM's ever is, but either accomplish zero (not the worst
> option) or force things to go sideways. For me, to quote the late, humor
> writer PJ O'Rourke, "I'm an American, I want to solve problems with
> technology, not politics." An imaginary example of this might be 3D
> printing. If we could print all we needed via 3D printing (Or nanotech),
> then the disparities supposedly provided by socialislm, would never be
> needed. Because, if we print all we need, cheap, who needs a government?
>
>
> All you do is quote other fringe ideas when questioned. Nothing of that
> benefits or feeds people now. Irrelevant. Calling Trump “substance over
> style” misses the point entirely. His style—cruelty without wit, mockery
> without humor—isn’t some negotiating tactic, it’s how he consolidates
> power. He silences critics, not with arguments, but with smears and jeers.
> That’s not leadership, that’s bullying.
>
> As for substance: there is no serious plan to help the middle class.
> Tariffs and tax cuts are not a strategy—they're a smokescreen. Tariffs
> raise prices on everyday goods, hurting working families, not billionaires.
> Meanwhile, tax cuts—like those he passed in 2017—disproportionately benefit
> the ultra-wealthy. Cutting government jobs and “draining the swamp” sounds
> tough, but it’s just a way to slash services while funneling more money
> upward.
>
> If you're in the middle class and supporting this, you'd better hope it
> doesn’t work—because you're the one paying for it. There’s no plan for
> sustainable jobs, no serious industrial policy, and no honest accounting of
> how gutting agencies while ballooning defense spending to $1 trillion will
> do anything but shift more burden onto you.
>
>
>
> Also, because I never miss an opportunity to promote technology as useful
> to us primates, I will end this convo with today's vid by physicist Sabine
> Hossenfelder regarding a somewhat improved hypothesis on why black holes
> are suitable for quantum computing. Older idea, new take.
>
>
> Technology is useful for robbing you and is out-of-topic. But the idiot
> here is yours truly, as the expectation for you to focus on one thing and
> discuss it, is more ludicrous than answering where the money for those tax
> breaks and military spending will come from. You want to speak physics of
> quantum computers? Then do the list a favor and have a single thought of
> your own, an equation, a contribution, without quoting some woke expert.
> Otherwise it's your usual camo of dressing up your "posts" with woke work
> to fake a sophistication and/or depth that doesn't exist. Nobody cares
> about our opinions, Mitch. There are billions of us and I haven't seen you
> make a single point/contribution for years on this list that fits the
> topic.
>
>
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