On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Aug 11, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> wrote: > >> > >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 1:35 AM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I think the image structure on the website is a bit messy, there has > >> been > >>>>> some cleanup done by kschenk but I think there is still a lot of > clean > >> up > >>>>> work to be done. > >>>>> > >>>>> For example, the new logo, was simply draged and drop to the AOOLogos > >>>>> folder with a huge name. I understand the name was needed to identify > >> it > >>>>> between the rest of the competitive logos. But now that is selected, > >> the > >>>>> current name is unecessary long. > >>>>> > >>>>> Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png< > >> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png?view=log > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At the same time we have old logos which had been untouch. I think > the > >>>>> webdevs have small understanding of a svn is builted so that the > files > >>>> are > >>>>> updated without having different versions laying arround. > >>>> > >>>> This is not so. I can assure you that I completely understand SVN and > >> VCS. > >>>> > >>>> Choices were made to be non disruptive. Changing logos for the site is > >>>> handled in exactly one spot. This means different names for different > >>>> versions is entirely appropriate. > >>> > >>> I can't imagine this 'non disruptive' happening in code as well and > >> having > >>> different librarries with different classes and different names > attached > >> to > >>> the libraries. Like all of the sudden you have 5 > ColumnControlWindow.cxx > >> it > >>> would now be ColumnControlWindow_joes_selected_20130218.cxx attached to > >>> previous 5 different alternatives of the .cxx file. > >> > >> We are discussing the website and the work that Kay and I did during the > >> move to Apache. Remember you referred to webdevs not understanding svn. > > > > Ok I understand how this came to be now, and I can see the point on > legacy > > files. However this practice would eventually need some reorganization. > > Hopefully this reorganization is today. > > > > > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>> Over this > >>>>> example, ooo-logo.png and > >>>>> AOO4_website_logo.png< > >> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/AOO4_website_logo.png?view=log > >>>>> exist. > >>>> > >>>> The logos differ. The names differ. > >>> > >>> The logos are outdated and obosolete, they should only exist in the > >>> revsion history, and maybe on a different archieved section with a more > >>> detailed metadata instead of cludgy filename. Something like: > >>> > >>> svn log: > >>> logo.png rev123222 AOO 4 for website selected from contest... > >>> rev123221 AOO logo 3.4.1 under apache brand > >>> rev123220 OOo Oracle branding for .. > >> > >> Kay has proposed and created a canonical location for logos and original > >> art. You suggested that some standards for sizes and names be applied, > we > >> await a concrete proposal. > > > > There are two different locations for the logos at the moment afaik, > > $root/images/ and $root/marketing/art/galleries/logos/aoo-working/ > > > > The second one is for art-related activities, and I can see how handling > > multiple work would make use of a large file name. > > > > For the first one, which are webdev related, I don't see the benefit of > > holding such filenames or even multiple filenames. So yes, a cannonical > > location and standarized convention for the different rasterize images > as > > well as a clear distinction to the source file. > > > > for unknown reasons, I am unable to access cwiki, getting a permission > > error to even see my own profile in confluence. I dont see a component > for > > infra on bugzilla, should it go on Jira? > > > > There may be a Apache infra wiki upgrade in progress. I'm traveling and > will check later. > > Or you can on irc. > I am on the #dev.openoffice.org which channel should I go. Freenode server I guess. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> If we are looking to provide a canonical path to a single current logo > >> for > >>>> third party use then that is a different question > >>>> > >>>>> All these proliferation of logos, usually will built up to become > >>>>> incredibly messy to work. I suggest to put the information such as > >>>> author, > >>>>> version, status, etc. on the comments of the commit and not on the > >>>>> filename. > >>>> > >>>> I agree that the name is long, changing it would be simple, but to > what? > >>> > >>> Is unnecesary long. K.I.S.S. PNG and SVG have metadata exactly for > >> issues > >>> like this. Imagemagic can just do something like > >>> > >>> convert logo.png -set Title "Apache OpenOffice 4" -set Author "ChrisR" > >> logo.png > >>> > >>> identify -verbose logo.png |grep Title > >>> > >>> Title: Apache OpenOffice 4 > >> > http://blog.client9.com/2007/08/editing-png-metadata-from-command-line.html > >> > >> Add it to a list of proposed actions to be discussed. > >> > >> The cwiki is provided for this purpose. > >> > >> I don't disagree, but it is absolutely necessary to proceed in an open > >> manner. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dave > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Author is the committer and if they are representing others > contribution > >>>> then they can easily indicate that is so. > >>>> > >>>> If creating a PNG based on an SVG then include the SVG path in the > >> comment. > >>>> > >>>>> Likewise to take the time to look for the source of the image, > >>>>> since there is an SVG/ folder to link the source of them, and finally > >> if > >>>>> there are different images (sizes) to have a common convention. > >>>> > >>>> If you would like to discuss common conventions and sizes then please > >>>> create a cwiki page and start a new thread. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want to review the images please go here: > >> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/ > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Dave > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Alexandro Colorado > >>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor > >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Alexandro Colorado > >>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor > >>> http://www.openoffice.org > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > -- > > Alexandro Colorado > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > > http://www.openoffice.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org
