On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org>
> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> > I think the image structure on the website is a bit messy, there has
> > been
> > >> > some cleanup done by kschenk but I think there is still a lot of
> > clean up
> > >> > work to be done.
> > >> >
> > >> > For example, the new logo, was simply draged and drop to the
> AOOLogos
> > >> > folder with a huge name. I understand the name was needed to
> identify
> > it
> > >> > between the rest of the competitive logos. But now that is selected,
> > the
> > >> > current name is unecessary long.
> > >> >
> > >> > Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png<
> > >>
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_optim_300w.png?view=log
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Right.  That work is incomplete.  I checked it in originally, after
> > >> the logo vote, so we could start working on the product integration
> > >> immediately.  But note that the above logo is not the one we actually
> > >> used in AOO 4.0 !!
> > >>
> > >> The one we actually used is this one:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/branding/Apache_OpenOffice_Logo_ChrisR_selected_2013-06_Inkscape_kg.svg
> > >>
> > >> This was Chris R's contest logo with some minor technical changes.
> > >> Kevin G. used this and generated the PNG/JPG files for AOO 4.0, which
> > >> I helped check in.
> > >>
> > >> My intent was to take that SVG and rename it to "master-logo-40.svg"
> > >>
> > >
> > > Again I think we do need a convention for a "logo.svg" as opposed to
> > > ending with a logo-30.svg logo-40.svg logo-50.svg. An just
> incrementally
> > > replace with the future logos as we update the SVG.
> > >
> >
> > Here's the complication:   The old logos are still relevant some some
> > purposes.  For example, the PMC receives ongoing requests to approve
> > use of the old OpenOffice.org logo.  Why would that happen?  Often it
> > is a request by publishers who are making an e-book version of an
> > older print book.  If their original request did not include the
> > e-book rights then they come back to us (and owners of every other
> > image they use) to request additional permissions.
> >
> > So it may be possible, going forward, to store logos as SVN revisions
> > under the same name.  But we cannot retroactively do this with
> > pre-Apache logos.  And even if we could, this is harder for users of
> > the logo to access.  It is much easier to have something like
> > logo-330.svg available via HTTP.
> >
> > Of course you can have a hybrid approach:
> >
> > 1) When a new logo is introduced, svn copy the old one into a
> > /old-logos directory with a new descriptive name.  This preserves the
> > version history.
> >
> > 2) New logo then is checked in as a new revision of logo-master.svg.
> >
>
> I like this idea or something akin to it. We should definitely preserve
> svgs for old logos in my opinion.  The new "branding" repository can be
> used for this, and given some additional structure.  I'm also finding some
> svg masters for items that are not really logos, like "Get It Here", that
> probably need to be moved to "branding" even though they are not really
> logos.
>

​That is because branding original intention was to document/create the
guidelines, it was 100% documentation project. ART (inside marketing) is
the one that hold the logos, banners, artwork, design elements,
microbanners, and 3d work, etc.

http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/

As well as other type of design like Business card templates​, OOoCon
Impress templates, and such. Branding basically was just a branch on the
wiki. Eventually this was moved to the wiki.

We soon realize that managing the repository on the wiki would be a faster
and easier way since the wiki is much easier to make commits and updates to
it. Example, the splashscreen contest:

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery



>
> And, because there are quite a few sites using old logo versions, I don't
> really think we should track them all down and require them to upgrade.
>

​Some groups clone the 'master' logo and this makes it a bit harder to
track, there are still some abandoned NL projects with the design from OOo
3.0 (2008/9)​



>
> Again, I am only referring to svg for these. Renderings, png files, as far
> as I'm concerned, can be  renamed and kept anywhere. The new logo used on
> the website now, for example, is not  a drop in replacement for the old
> one, because the size is slightly larger due to design considerations.  So,
>

​AFAIK the new logo is exactly the same approach of the old logo (Apache on
top of OpenOffice and an Orb to the left). Can you explain further?​



> it's conceivable, depending on use, the even within the Apache OpenOffice
> site, etc., different renderings might be used. But maybe this is in
> opposition to what marketing folks mean by a "logo" with a specific size,
> etc., I don't know.
>
>
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> or something clean like that.  However, I have not had any luck
> > >> getting this logo to load into Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator.  I get
> > >> errors.  And I have not had any luck getting Kevin to send a version
> > >> that will load.
> > >>
> > >> So we're stuck right now with a logo that does load into Inkscape, but
> > >> is slightly different than the one we used in AOO 4.0.
> > >>
> > >
> > >> > At the same time we have old logos which had been untouch. I think
> the
> > >> > webdevs have small understanding of a svn is builted so that the
> files
> > >> are
> > >> > updated without having different versions laying arround. Over this
> > >> > example, ooo-logo.png and
> > >> > AOO4_website_logo.png<
> > >>
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/AOO4_website_logo.png?view=log
> > >> >exist.
> > >> >
> > >> > All these proliferation of logos, usually will built up to become
> > >> > incredibly messy to work. I suggest to put the information such as
> > >> author,
> > >> > version, status, etc. on the comments of the commit and not on the
> > >> > filename.  Likewise to take the time to look for the source of the
> > image,
> > >> > since there is an SVG/ folder to link the source of them, and
> finally
> > if
> > >> > there are different images (sizes) to have a common convention.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> A more logical naming scheme would be good, I agree.  But this has
> > >> been waiting for resolution of which SVG we should actually be using.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > If you want to review the images please go here:
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/images/AOO_logos/
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Alexandro Colorado
> > >> > Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> > >> > http://www.openoffice.org
> > >>
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