Exactly. No one wants to use a dead language for a dead platform to compile to javascript, when especially with Typescript, it's nearly syntaticaly identical to AS, but not targetting a dusty old dead platform. A one-time compilation of course to source should take place to translate this to something like typescript which can then compile into readable javascript and people can pick which one to use. But this project is meant to maintain a product for adobes customers, so we're not going to move away from adobe products.
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Gary Yang. > Cant agree more. > > The first time i heard about FlexJS (no offense to the work of the people > working on it) I knew Flex is in a really bad position. Why would one use > ActionScript to cross compile to JS ? The time Flex JS is mature to be 10% > usable things like GWT, TypeScript, Dart will be miles away. > > The Flash platform is a terrific platform. Instead of putting efforts to > create unique capabilities (Clientside PDF, Excel, 3D Maps) effort are > waste to compile to JS. > > > > > 2014-12-09 23:43 GMT+01:00 Gary Yang <flashflex...@gmail.com>: > > > Face the reality, the majority will mark their resume HTML5 developer > after > > Apple said No Flash on Ipad, even they do not know what it means. > > > > the way I see it, Flex should fight with its advantages which is Flash > > Platform. there are too many javascript frameworks already. > > > > You can say Javascript/html can do what flash/flex can do, well, it is > true > > when you have several hundreds or thousands lines of code, but it is not > as > > simple as "can do", especially when you have millions of code. > > > > I don't understand why Flex have to do everything with everything, I > would > > just do the right thing with the right thing. > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > @Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. I didn't say plugins are > > bad, > > > at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full > > > blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything > > > flash does in the browser? I'm not really sure there is anything more > to > > > say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if that > > > number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are > > > probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows > > > computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire. > > > > > > At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be > > around 2 > > > million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash developer > > > jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages > upon > > > pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash > in > > > the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with > it. I > > > don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or offend > > > anyone. > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing > I'm > > > sick > > > > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. > If > > > it's > > > > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used > > > regularly > > > > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there > are > > > > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying > > software > > > > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best > > > > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add > > plugins > > > to > > > > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on has > > > > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original software > > had > > > > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software. > > And > > > > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins. > > > > > > > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and > > > > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We > > wouldn't > > > > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We > wouldn't > > > have > > > > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We > > > > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or > app > > > > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And > > one > > > of > > > > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they > > can > > > be > > > > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the > > > original > > > > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive. > > > > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required > > > features > > > > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all. > > > > > > > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for the > > > last > > > > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and > > becoming > > > > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw > it > > > out. > > > > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather > > than > > > > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to > it's > > > own > > > > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about > > plugins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with > > > > regard > > > > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." > To > > > > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 > virtual > > > > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT > > > > > functionality.:) > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be > > the > > > > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, > perhaps > > > > part > > > > > of > > > > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future > and > > a > > > > lack > > > > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jesse Nicholson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jesse Nicholson > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alain Ekambi > > Co-Founder > > Ahomé Innovation Technologies > > http://www.ahome-it.com/ <http://ahome-it.com/> > -- Jesse Nicholson
