@Gary Yang. Cant agree more. The first time i heard about FlexJS (no offense to the work of the people working on it) I knew Flex is in a really bad position. Why would one use ActionScript to cross compile to JS ? The time Flex JS is mature to be 10% usable things like GWT, TypeScript, Dart will be miles away.
The Flash platform is a terrific platform. Instead of putting efforts to create unique capabilities (Clientside PDF, Excel, 3D Maps) effort are waste to compile to JS. 2014-12-09 23:43 GMT+01:00 Gary Yang <flashflex...@gmail.com>: > Face the reality, the majority will mark their resume HTML5 developer after > Apple said No Flash on Ipad, even they do not know what it means. > > the way I see it, Flex should fight with its advantages which is Flash > Platform. there are too many javascript frameworks already. > > You can say Javascript/html can do what flash/flex can do, well, it is true > when you have several hundreds or thousands lines of code, but it is not as > simple as "can do", especially when you have millions of code. > > I don't understand why Flex have to do everything with everything, I would > just do the right thing with the right thing. > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > @Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. I didn't say plugins are > bad, > > at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full > > blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything > > flash does in the browser? I'm not really sure there is anything more to > > say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if that > > number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are > > probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows > > computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire. > > > > At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be > around 2 > > million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash developer > > jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages upon > > pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash in > > the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with it. I > > don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or offend > > anyone. > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Jesse, > > > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing I'm > > sick > > > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. If > > it's > > > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used > > regularly > > > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there are > > > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora, > > > > > > > > > https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane > > > . > > > > > > > > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying > software > > > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best > > > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add > plugins > > to > > > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on has > > > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original software > had > > > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software. > And > > > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins. > > > > > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and > > > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We > wouldn't > > > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We wouldn't > > have > > > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We > > > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or app > > > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And > one > > of > > > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they > can > > be > > > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the > > original > > > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive. > > > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required > > features > > > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all. > > > > > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for the > > last > > > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and > becoming > > > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw it > > out. > > > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather > than > > > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to it's > > own > > > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about > plugins. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with > > > regard > > > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." To > > > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 virtual > > > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT > > > > functionality.:) > > > > > > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be > the > > > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, perhaps > > > part > > > > of > > > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future and > a > > > lack > > > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jesse Nicholson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Nicholson > > > -- Alain Ekambi Co-Founder Ahomé Innovation Technologies http://www.ahome-it.com/ <http://ahome-it.com/>
