On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. Not cool. I think you should go back and read it because he makes a lot of sense. > I didn't say plugins are bad, > at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full > blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything > flash does in the browser? On one browser. What about the other browsers? Also, it is no where near a full blown implementation. Take a look for yourself: https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/search?p=40&q=notImplemented&utf8=%E2%9C%93 https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/wiki/Big-Picture Thanks, Om > I'm not really sure there is anything more to > say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if that > number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are > probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows > computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire. > > At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be around 2 > million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash developer > jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages upon > pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash in > the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with it. I > don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or offend > anyone. > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing I'm > sick > > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. If > it's > > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used > regularly > > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there are > > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora, > > > > > https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane > > . > > > > > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying software > > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best > > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add plugins > to > > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on has > > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original software had > > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software. And > > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins. > > > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and > > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We wouldn't > > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We wouldn't > have > > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We > > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or app > > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And one > of > > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they can > be > > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the > original > > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive. > > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required > features > > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all. > > > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for the > last > > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and becoming > > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw it > out. > > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather than > > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to it's > own > > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about plugins. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with > > regard > > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." To > > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 virtual > > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT > > > functionality.:) > > > > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be the > > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, perhaps > > part > > > of > > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future and a > > lack > > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jesse Nicholson > > > > > > > > > -- > Jesse Nicholson >
