@Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post. I didn't say plugins are bad, at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything flash does in the browser? I'm not really sure there is anything more to say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if that number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire.
At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be around 2 million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash developer jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages upon pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash in the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with it. I don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or offend anyone. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jesse, > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing I'm sick > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. If it's > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used regularly > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there are > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora, > > https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane > . > > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying software > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add plugins to > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on has > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original software had > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software. And > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins. > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We wouldn't > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We wouldn't have > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or app > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And one of > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they can be > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the original > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive. > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required features > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all. > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for the last > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and becoming > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw it out. > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather than > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to it's own > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about plugins. > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with > regard > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." To > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 virtual > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT > > functionality.:) > > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson < > > ascensionsyst...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be the > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, perhaps > part > > of > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future and a > lack > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Nicholson > > > -- Jesse Nicholson
