Hi, I'm a programmer, graphics nerd and photographer so DT fits me very well. :-)
I really like to have all the power of DT available when I need it. Recently I had to edit over 1500 scans of very degenerated photos from the 70s and DT did a fantastic job that no other raw converter could have done, commercial or not. When I see a technically crappy image then I know that if DT can not recover it then no application will. At the same time it really annoys me that I also have to use the entire arsenal of DT to perform basic actions that are simple one slider operations with great results in most other converters (noise reduction, clarity, shadow/highlight recovery etc). I don't need dramatic adjustments for my vacation photos, I need a fast workflow to get the images ready for display (and to have time to take new photos ;-) ). Presets really never worked for me. That's why I proposed the basic/meta page a while ago - simple shortcuts for fast every day editing jobs while still having all the power at hand when it is really needed. Greetings, Rolf Am 05.11.2018 um 17:29 schrieb Maurizio Paglia: > Hi Rolf, > I am not a programmer nor a graphic nerd. I simply take potographs in > my spare time. > > I like dt because I know I have in my hands a powerful tool. > No matter if I use it 100% or 10% > I know dt is SO powerful thereby I have a large margin for improvement. > Moreover I feel curious and I like to learn things... > > From a photographer point of view: every raw developer software or > manipulation software are too much complicated. > A GOOD photography is made with light+emotions (NOT technique!). > Many times I read questions about subtle operations on photographs > that are more or less useless but people should always remember that a > poor image with a very good post-production will remain a poor image > (but with nice colours! :-). > People should focus on the goodness of the image. > So, choose the software that is more comfortable for you and go ahead > with it! > Learn some operations you feel comfortable with and try to learn how > to do them better (but do not study too much... go outside and take > photographs). > > Have a nice evening! > Maurizio > > Il giorno lun 5 nov 2018 alle ore 15:47 Rolf Meyerhoff <r...@matrix44.de > <mailto:r...@matrix44.de>> ha scritto: > > Hi, > > if you have followed the UI refactoring discussion lately then you > will > have noticed that the intended target audience for DT are programmers > and graphics nerds who really know what each module does, in which > order > the modules have to be edited, how the modules interact with each > other, > when to use wavelets, how to add masks and blending modes and so > on. DT > is not intended to be used by novices and casual users who just want > nice looking images. > > However, look at it from the positive side: If you at some point got a > result that is actually on par with the competition's two slider > solutions then you have learned a lot about the deep internals of > image > processing, camera curves, color spaces, blending modes, masks, > demosaicing, wavelets and so on. Maybe you will at some point > encounter > an image that needs more treatment than the typical two slider > solutions > can handle and then you know what to do. > > When I really have to denoise an image in DT then I use a five stage > process. First I use the raw denoise with a fairly low level to > remove a > bit of noise prior to the demosaicing. The demosaicing itself affects > the shape of the noise in later stages so editing this is crucial > for me > (at least with Fuji X-Trans). After the demosaicing I use two profile > denoisers, one for chroma and one for luma, again with fairly low > levels, optimized blending settings and dark area masks. > > Later when I have done my exposure work I use the equalizer to get rid > of the remaining noise (again with mask). Finally I play with the > levels > and masks of all these stages to get the best result. Sometimes I > add a > tiny bit of grain and/or dithering at the end to smooth out the > processing artifacts and to make the result visually more pleasing. > > I know that seems a lot of work but at least this gets me really close > to the result that I can achieve with the free CaptureOne version that > came with my camera. I don't need denoising very often as my > camera has > fairly good high Iso capabilities and a nice grain pattern to the > noise. > So noise is not that big of a problem for me (at least it's not big > enough to reboot to Windows just for denoising). > > Am 05.11.2018 um 14:48 schrieb Andrey: > > I like DT. I've spent a lot of time exploring related materials, > > trying to get most of nr. I prepared a demonstrative > picture and asked > > people to teach me (time to time - forums and irc channel - last 2 > > years). Yes, I keep using DPP. What is the point of my last try here > > you think?! To sit on a mode? To wave a flag? If DT were a crap, we > > wouldn't talk here. I point out the problem - you point out my > > thoughts and mode I sit on. What is wrong? You say, that we have a > > great power with DT. Teach people to get a best result (not 10x > longer > > and 2x worse than RT), accept a problem or just say me (and others > > like me) to get off. This is simple. Right now the only result I > > expected was to understand what is my problem - me or DT. If it was > > me, then someone can explain the way to get a good result. > > > > пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:20, Pascal Obry <pas...@obry.net > <mailto:pas...@obry.net> > > <mailto:pas...@obry.net <mailto:pas...@obry.net>>>: > > > > > > Hi Andrey, > > > > Sorry guys - nobody showed me the power of dt yet. > > Thanks. Sorry for disturbance. Good luck. > > > > > > Your messages sound like nothing will make you change your mind. > > You're set on a mode where you think dt is a crap at denoising > > images. So no problem. Keep using DPP is this fits your needs > > best nobody ask you to use darktable. > > > > -- > > Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) > > > > The best way to travel is by means of imagination > > > > http://photos.obry.net > > http://www.obry.net > > > > gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net <http://keys.gnupg.net> > <http://keys.gnupg.net> > > --recv-key F949BD3B > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
