Sorry guys - nobody showed me the power of dt yet. Thanks. Sorry for disturbance. Good luck.
пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:48, Maurizio Paglia <mpagl...@gmail.com>: > Ciao Andrey, > believe me: I understand your frustration but I can assure dt can give you > optimal results with no pain. > Its GUI can intimidate many users because it is "Linux style" (RT imitate > LR so it is more friendly to many people) but you cannot have power with a > 'single slider' interface... > Moreover you can find on https://dtstyle.net/ a lot of presets that can > help you to reach a particular result but also can help you to understand > how modules and sliders work. > It is understood you can choose to use the raw developer you prefer, and > it is understood dt needs a little more time with study and trials. > Have a nice day, > Maurizio > > Il giorno lun 5 nov 2018 alle ore 10:47 Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> ha > scritto: > >> I did tried some authored presets found somewhere on the web. And I am >> still on windows with dpp. >> You see.. this is not a photographer workflow. DT is some kind of >> technical toy. >> I wouldn't try to explain denoise tools logic of DT to my wife who got >> into photography. This is the main problem. >> And final point is that all this magic gives the worst result for huge >> loss of time. And headshot: most of >> DT users do not understand what exactly they are doing with these denoise >> tools. >> Wavelets, parametric mask, patch size, combine mask, clone action, try to >> play with those 25 combos and channels on every copy, >> search for another denoise profile and tune it... are you serious?! >> >> пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 12:14, Maurizio Paglia <mpagl...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi, >>> just for the record, did you tried to use some presets? >>> I understand dt can appear difficult, so you can try to apply a preset >>> and then - if needed - only adjust some sliders. >>> >>> Tanks, >>> Maurizio >>> >>> Il giorno lun 5 nov 2018 alle ore 09:06 Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> >>> ha scritto: >>> >>>> I like your work. We have got a nice bench, lever is ok, but the bear.. >>>> darktable vs dpp: >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1G026G5va8h-V8Mqn0HlghslN7vKnfvwG >>>> darktable vs rawtherapee: >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=15hxaZDOh0Cqrs3IptcEdH_kPjSuu-NR9 >>>> I've tried to recover the bear, but my result is still far from >>>> competitors (shadows are awful too). >>>> Don't you see it's too complex for regular users? I've tried to combine >>>> several denoise tools with no luck (unlike you). >>>> We both spent too much time with single image doing something on a >>>> hunch. >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xWAXmF2_I7BD2XnLgGABoQMMf3ATDBC4 >>>> One could expect super quality from these tons of sliders, switches and >>>> so on. But we can't get it work like single tool in RT or DPP. >>>> Rule of thumb: *do not* process noisy image with darktable. >>>> Could DT just borrow denoise tool from RT? It's very clear, simple and >>>> makes a great result. >>>> >>>> >>>> пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 7:24, William Ferguson <wpfergu...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> I loaded DPP and played with the image to see how Canon processed it. >>>>> Then, I went back to darktable and tried again. >>>>> >>>>> Here's what I came up with. >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sM3oq7EDWXtAdqWyMMqwENcf1oP7wK_G >>>>> >>>>> XMP is attached. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 3:25 AM Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Just compare the pictures side by side. Your result is rather good >>>>>> for DT, not for RT or Canon DPP. >>>>>> Stains, colored lever, bear's fur is blured. >>>>>> Look at this: >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_s1WzY2D_fgxTs0sjP4ygsPUcnf_GfkA >>>>>> Pay attention to history and NR tool clarity. >>>>>> DT may replace all denoise tools with just a huge list of denoise >>>>>> profiles. We will try to apply one by one untill good enough result. >>>>>> >>>>>> вс, 4 нояб. 2018 г. в 2:10, Per Inge Oestmoen <p...@coldsiberia.org>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I noticed that this image shows major loss of contrast and there are >>>>>>> large amounts of noice in the shadows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28/view >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Per Inge Oestmoen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > Andrey wrote: >>>>>>> > I've spent a huge amount of time watching youtube videos, reading >>>>>>> > different tutorials and testing all the tools DT has. >>>>>>> > Here are the crops you may look at: >>>>>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rqPfr8rHalwvbjJ03Ho-pze4Uxsq3ggh >>>>>>> > DT gives unacceptable result. I've tried to pop this theme up year >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> > year - without any success. >>>>>>> > DT is a great tool, you are men.. but! One of the most fundamental >>>>>>> > functions is useless compared to opensource competitor (!). >>>>>>> > DT's target audience are bachelors of mathematics with cameras >>>>>>> (for a >>>>>>> > while). >>>>>>> > I will pray for you to get DT close to regular users. >>>>>>> > Thanks for feedback. And sorry for my english. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > сб, 3 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:05, William Ferguson < >>>>>>> wpfergu...@gmail.com >>>>>>> > <mailto:wpfergu...@gmail.com>>: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Try this... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > To add the styles to darktable - save the styles, then in >>>>>>> lighttable >>>>>>> > mode open the styles dialog and click import, select the >>>>>>> files, then >>>>>>> > import them. Each one is standalone, so if you start with 1 >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> > it's not enough then you try 2, 2 will overwrite 1. The >>>>>>> higher the >>>>>>> > number the stronger the settings and I add more modules. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hope this helps, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Bill >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:59 PM Andrey L < >>>>>>> parihaar...@gmail.com >>>>>>> > <mailto:parihaar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hello, guys. Canon DPP makes me crazy, but DT is unable >>>>>>> > to compete with neither Canon DPP, nor RawTherapee :( >>>>>>> > Could you please pay some attention to DarkTable's noise >>>>>>> removal >>>>>>> > opportunities? >>>>>>> > I have to spend senconds with Canon DPP to suppress noise >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> > high-iso image, >>>>>>> > I need minutes to get a good result in RawThrerapee, but >>>>>>> nobody >>>>>>> > can spend hours >>>>>>> > to make bad result with tons of noise reduction tools. >>>>>>> Please, >>>>>>> > break the last barrier to DT :`| >>>>>>> > Here my example: >>>>>>> > original image: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNMnJlTzgwcHZOdTA >>>>>>> > canon dpp: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNc1RoWW9kN3d3V0k >>>>>>> > rawtherapee: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > The best efforts In general lead to green noise on >>>>>>> barbells. >>>>>>> > It's too complex problem for regular photographer. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a >>>>>>> mail to >>>>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>>>> > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>>>> > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Noise Reduction is just another word for Image Destruction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
