Hi,

> The issue with darktable is that nobody can make the image as clear, as
with RT or DPP. With all of it's power and all of competitors' 2-slider
weakness.

I believe it's quite good:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BSQA2Q49RwLVcs9TzB8v79ROW-vR-V4n/view?usp=sharing

(also a few seconds, because I've preset for this. 2 profiled denoise
instances - one for color, one for luma + defringe to reduce green halos).

> The issue is that a mom takes a bunch of shots from school performance
(indoor) and can do nothing with it by means of DT.

Agree, I don't believe it's target for DT.

Cheers,
Dominik

pon., 5 lis 2018 o 13:36 użytkownik Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> napisał:

> пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 14:17, Sturm Flut <sturmf...@lieberbiber.de>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ignoring that this is one of the cases where not setting the camera to
>> "Auto" would have resulted in a much better picture and avoided most of
>> the issue to begin with:
>>
> Av-priority. Just a technical image to explore nr tools.
>
>
>>
>> Profiled Denoise in Wavelet mode with strength 0.2 already looks pretty
>> identical to what DPP does, at least to me. XMP is attached.
>>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Zx47DOzDyRRZdKNZ8QNnHf5yPS3IYy6v
> identical?
>
>
>>
>> The output from RawTherapee looks oversharpened.
>
> That was 2-second tune which is very good - full of details and do not
> have color noise.
> Here is 4-seconds tune:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_s1WzY2D_fgxTs0sjP4ygsPUcnf_GfkA
>
>
>> Maybe that's your
>> issues with Dartktable as well? If there's noise in the picture it is
>> usually better to fine-tune using the Equalizer instead, and/or use
>> masks to sharpen areas selectively.
>>
> The issue with darktable is that nobody can make the image as clear, as
> with RT or DPP.
> With all of it's power and all of competitors' 2-slider weakness.
> The issue is that a mom takes a bunch of shots from school performance
> (indoor) and can do nothing with it by means of DT.
> But she has zero problems with DPP. And she needs just a small demo to do
> the job in RT.
> I get your idea. Just waned to clarify. Thanks again.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrey
>
>
>
>> kind regards,
>> Simon
>>
>> Am 03.11.18 um 17:58 schrieb Andrey L:
>> > Hello, guys. Canon DPP makes me crazy, but DT is unable to compete with
>> > neither Canon DPP, nor RawTherapee :(
>> > Could you please pay some attention to DarkTable's noise removal
>> > opportunities?
>> > I have to spend senconds with Canon DPP to suppress noise on high-iso
>> > image,
>> > I need minutes to get a good result in RawThrerapee, but nobody can
>> > spend hours
>> > to make bad result with tons of noise reduction tools. Please, break the
>> > last barrier to DT :`|
>> > Here my example:
>> > original image:
>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNMnJlTzgwcHZOdTA
>> > canon dpp:
>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNc1RoWW9kN3d3V0k
>> > rawtherapee:
>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28
>> >
>> > The best efforts In general lead to green noise on barbells. It's too
>> > complex problem for regular photographer.
>> >
>> >
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Dominik Markiewicz

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