Ciao Andrey, believe me: I understand your frustration but I can assure dt can give you optimal results with no pain. Its GUI can intimidate many users because it is "Linux style" (RT imitate LR so it is more friendly to many people) but you cannot have power with a 'single slider' interface... Moreover you can find on https://dtstyle.net/ a lot of presets that can help you to reach a particular result but also can help you to understand how modules and sliders work. It is understood you can choose to use the raw developer you prefer, and it is understood dt needs a little more time with study and trials. Have a nice day, Maurizio
Il giorno lun 5 nov 2018 alle ore 10:47 Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I did tried some authored presets found somewhere on the web. And I am > still on windows with dpp. > You see.. this is not a photographer workflow. DT is some kind of > technical toy. > I wouldn't try to explain denoise tools logic of DT to my wife who got > into photography. This is the main problem. > And final point is that all this magic gives the worst result for huge > loss of time. And headshot: most of > DT users do not understand what exactly they are doing with these denoise > tools. > Wavelets, parametric mask, patch size, combine mask, clone action, try to > play with those 25 combos and channels on every copy, > search for another denoise profile and tune it... are you serious?! > > пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 12:14, Maurizio Paglia <mpagl...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi, >> just for the record, did you tried to use some presets? >> I understand dt can appear difficult, so you can try to apply a preset >> and then - if needed - only adjust some sliders. >> >> Tanks, >> Maurizio >> >> Il giorno lun 5 nov 2018 alle ore 09:06 Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> >> ha scritto: >> >>> I like your work. We have got a nice bench, lever is ok, but the bear.. >>> darktable vs dpp: >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1G026G5va8h-V8Mqn0HlghslN7vKnfvwG >>> darktable vs rawtherapee: >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=15hxaZDOh0Cqrs3IptcEdH_kPjSuu-NR9 >>> I've tried to recover the bear, but my result is still far from >>> competitors (shadows are awful too). >>> Don't you see it's too complex for regular users? I've tried to combine >>> several denoise tools with no luck (unlike you). >>> We both spent too much time with single image doing something on a hunch >>> . >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xWAXmF2_I7BD2XnLgGABoQMMf3ATDBC4 >>> One could expect super quality from these tons of sliders, switches and >>> so on. But we can't get it work like single tool in RT or DPP. >>> Rule of thumb: *do not* process noisy image with darktable. >>> Could DT just borrow denoise tool from RT? It's very clear, simple and >>> makes a great result. >>> >>> >>> пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 7:24, William Ferguson <wpfergu...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> I loaded DPP and played with the image to see how Canon processed it. >>>> Then, I went back to darktable and tried again. >>>> >>>> Here's what I came up with. >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sM3oq7EDWXtAdqWyMMqwENcf1oP7wK_G >>>> >>>> XMP is attached. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 3:25 AM Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just compare the pictures side by side. Your result is rather good for >>>>> DT, not for RT or Canon DPP. >>>>> Stains, colored lever, bear's fur is blured. >>>>> Look at this: >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_s1WzY2D_fgxTs0sjP4ygsPUcnf_GfkA >>>>> Pay attention to history and NR tool clarity. >>>>> DT may replace all denoise tools with just a huge list of denoise >>>>> profiles. We will try to apply one by one untill good enough result. >>>>> >>>>> вс, 4 нояб. 2018 г. в 2:10, Per Inge Oestmoen <p...@coldsiberia.org>: >>>>> >>>>>> I noticed that this image shows major loss of contrast and there are >>>>>> large amounts of noice in the shadows: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28/view >>>>>> >>>>>> Per Inge Oestmoen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Andrey wrote: >>>>>> > I've spent a huge amount of time watching youtube videos, reading >>>>>> > different tutorials and testing all the tools DT has. >>>>>> > Here are the crops you may look at: >>>>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rqPfr8rHalwvbjJ03Ho-pze4Uxsq3ggh >>>>>> > DT gives unacceptable result. I've tried to pop this theme up year >>>>>> by >>>>>> > year - without any success. >>>>>> > DT is a great tool, you are men.. but! One of the most fundamental >>>>>> > functions is useless compared to opensource competitor (!). >>>>>> > DT's target audience are bachelors of mathematics with cameras (for >>>>>> a >>>>>> > while). >>>>>> > I will pray for you to get DT close to regular users. >>>>>> > Thanks for feedback. And sorry for my english. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > сб, 3 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:05, William Ferguson <wpfergu...@gmail.com >>>>>> > <mailto:wpfergu...@gmail.com>>: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Try this... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > To add the styles to darktable - save the styles, then in >>>>>> lighttable >>>>>> > mode open the styles dialog and click import, select the files, >>>>>> then >>>>>> > import them. Each one is standalone, so if you start with 1 and >>>>>> > it's not enough then you try 2, 2 will overwrite 1. The higher >>>>>> the >>>>>> > number the stronger the settings and I add more modules. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hope this helps, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bill >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:59 PM Andrey L <parihaar...@gmail.com >>>>>> > <mailto:parihaar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hello, guys. Canon DPP makes me crazy, but DT is unable >>>>>> > to compete with neither Canon DPP, nor RawTherapee :( >>>>>> > Could you please pay some attention to DarkTable's noise >>>>>> removal >>>>>> > opportunities? >>>>>> > I have to spend senconds with Canon DPP to suppress noise on >>>>>> > high-iso image, >>>>>> > I need minutes to get a good result in RawThrerapee, but >>>>>> nobody >>>>>> > can spend hours >>>>>> > to make bad result with tons of noise reduction tools. >>>>>> Please, >>>>>> > break the last barrier to DT :`| >>>>>> > Here my example: >>>>>> > original image: >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNMnJlTzgwcHZOdTA >>>>>> > canon dpp: >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNc1RoWW9kN3d3V0k >>>>>> > rawtherapee: >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > The best efforts In general lead to green noise on barbells. >>>>>> > It's too complex problem for regular photographer. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail >>>>>> to >>>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>>> > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>>> > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Noise Reduction is just another word for Image Destruction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >>> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
