That vent looks like a wicked line snagger! On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:32 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Electric fuel pump switch. > Brilliant! > > Thanks Joe! > I've decided on the Newport Diesel bulkhead job. It's going to end up > looking something like this (thought the heater in the pic is the propane > version): > > > http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg > with a day tank up and behind in the hanging locker. > > Steve > Suhana, C&C 32 > Toronto > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> I would think twice, three times, and four times before adding any kind >> of combustion heater to a gasoline powered boat. Not only can the heater >> itself suck gasoline fumes into itself, any of the associated controls and >> fans might or might not be ignition protected. I know, like every other C&C >> ever made with an Atomic 4, I cook below with an open flame, but that is a >> bit different. Most of us would not start the stove if we smelled gasoline >> fumes and most of us are not leaving the stove run all night while we >> sleep. >> >> If I were to do this, I would start by having the heater well away from >> the engine and mounted as high as possible. Make sure the heater is about >> the LAST place in the boat gas fumes would end up. >> >> Second step would be to install a gasoline fume detector and make sure it >> is on whenever the heater is on. >> >> Third step is do rig your engine to run the gas out of the carb at >> shutdown. When I am done with the engine for the day I switch off my >> electric fuel pump and let the engine run the gas out of the carb and line. >> This prevents the issue of a stuck needle-valve slowly filling the carb >> overnight and dispersing fumes. A side benefit is the carb lasts much much >> longer before it needs cleaning. >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> Coquina >> >> C&C 35 MK I >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Graham >> Collins via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 07, 2016 19:23 >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Graham Collins >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation >> >> >> >> Hi Bill >> >> It might be worth contacting Espar about it, I don't think that should be >> running like that. The D5 I'm running is a fair sized unit, and startup >> has never been a big power hit. >> >> Graham Collins >> >> Secret Plans >> >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >> On 2016-02-06 5:17 PM, William Walker via CnC-List wrote: >> >> Graham, >> Your thoughts would appreciated on start up draw. Prior owner >> installed in port Lazarette. He is particular guy, all looks well done, >> but he told me about current draw and starting engine to get it going. >> After its running seems to do fine off twin house batteries. >> Bill Walker >> CnC 36 >> Pentwater, Mi >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> On Saturday, February 6, 2016 Graham Collins via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is >> clear of any fumes you are good to go. You could connect that through 'to >> the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind. If you have >> flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off... >> >> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two >> while working on the boat in the winter. So a tiny fuel tank would be >> adequate. >> >> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off >> batteries all the time and have never had an issue. >> >> Graham Collins >> >> Secret Plans >> >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote: >> >> I'm reading the marine installation manual >> <http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf> >> and have some questions: >> >> >> >> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not >> allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline >> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of >> these? >> >> >> >> - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small >> that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the >> lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> Suhana, C&C 32 >> >> Toronto >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Russ, >> >> >> >> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere behind >> the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). With the >> espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the newport, this >> is pretty much how i have to mount it: >> >> >> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg >> >> >> >> Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't >> optimal either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the >> venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> Suhana, C&C 32 >> >> Toronto >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the Newport >> heater. It can be tricky. >> >> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge >> advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral >> & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked. >> >> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper venting >> is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The tank can >> be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that gravity >> feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a little >> impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about putting the >> tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy to fit a deck >> fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 - 4 gallon >> tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold conditions >> maybe a bit less for the D2. >> >> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will >> have both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :) >> >> Cheers, Russ >> *Sweet *35 mk-1 >> Vancouver Island >> >> >> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote: >> >> Thanks for the helpful replies, all. >> >> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I like >> the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my favourite >> things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove types, >> which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have >> drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. >> The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4 >> powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't >> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity >> tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the >> hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've >> read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the >> D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like >> diesel? >> >> Steve >> Suhana, C&C 32 >> Toronto >> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater >> the warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. >> It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine >> evening. >> >> Andy >> >> C&C 40 >> >> Peregrine >> >> Andrew Burton >> >> PO Box 632 >> >> Newport, RI >> >> USA 02840 >> >> +401 965 5260 >> >> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Steve, >> >>  I have an espar installed by po, no problems in five years. But, >> does have significant current draw at start up. I need to start engine to >> fire up unless on shore power. After it gets going no problem. Outlet >> in main cabin, v berth and head. >> >> Bill Walker >> >> Pentwater Mi >> >> CnC 36 >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running >> one on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The >> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I >> need the D4 :( >> >> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living aboard >> in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be "maintenance" >> trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it can get quite >> cold up there. >> >> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living aboard >> with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this year so >> it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at night, >> even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights but I >> have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall colours are >> out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't want to spend >> money that could go elsewhere. >> >> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear they >> don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but don't >> want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are best. >> >> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear >> from others who have gone through it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> >> Suhana, C&C 32 >> >> Toronto >> >> _______________________________________________ Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including >> unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Email address: >> >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including >> unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Email address: >> >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > >
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