Ok, so it looks like I shouldn't be installing one of these in the engine
compartment of my gasoline powered boat:

Warning - Explosion Hazard
1. Heater must be turned off while re-fueling.
2. Do not install heater in enclosed areas where combustible fumes may be
present.
*3. Do not install heaters in engine compartments of gasoline powered
boats.*

Boo.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've never needed to start the engine to get the Espar to start.  It has
> always started and run fine off the batteries.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 6 February 2016 at 14:52, Graham Collins via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is
>> clear of any fumes you are good to go.  You could connect that through 'to
>> the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind.  If you have
>> flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off...
>>
>> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two
>> while working on the boat in the winter.  So a tiny fuel tank would be
>> adequate.
>>
>> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off
>> batteries all the time and have never had an issue.
>>
>> Graham Collins
>> Secret Plans
>> C&C 35-III #11
>>
>> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> I'm reading the marine installation manual
>> <http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf>
>> and have some questions:
>>
>> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not
>> allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline
>> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of
>> these?
>>
>> - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small
>> that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the
>> lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Russ,
>>>
>>> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere
>>> behind the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely).
>>> With the espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the
>>> newport, this is pretty much how i have to mount it:
>>>
>>> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg
>>>
>>> Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't
>>> optimal either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the
>>> venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
>>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>> I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the
>>>> Newport heater. It can be tricky.
>>>>
>>>> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge
>>>> advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral
>>>> & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked.
>>>>
>>>> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper
>>>> venting is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The
>>>> tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that
>>>> gravity feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a
>>>> little impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about
>>>> putting the tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy
>>>> to fit a deck fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2
>>>> - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold
>>>> conditions maybe a bit less for the D2.
>>>>
>>>> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will
>>>> have both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :)
>>>>
>>>>         Cheers, Russ
>>>>         *Sweet *35 mk-1
>>>>         Vancouver Island
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the helpful replies, all.
>>>>
>>>> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I
>>>> like the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my
>>>> favourite things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove
>>>> types, which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have
>>>> drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way.
>>>> The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4
>>>> powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't
>>>> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity
>>>> tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the
>>>> hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've
>>>> read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the
>>>> D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like
>>>> diesel?Â
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>>> Toronto
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater
>>>> the warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat.
>>>> It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine
>>>> evening.Â
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>> C&C 40
>>>> Peregrine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Burton
>>>> PO Box 632
>>>> Newport, RIÂ
>>>> USA 02840
>>>>
>>>> +401 965Â 5260
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List <
>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>>   I have an espar  installed by po, no problems in five years.  But,
>>>> does have significant current draw at start up.  I need to start engine to
>>>> fire up unless on shore power.  After it gets going no problem.  Outlet
>>>> in main cabin, v berth  and head.Â
>>>> Bill Walker
>>>> Pentwater Mi
>>>> CnCÂ  36
>>>>
>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running
>>>> one on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The
>>>> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I
>>>> need the D4 :(
>>>>
>>>> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living
>>>> aboard in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be
>>>> "maintenance" trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it
>>>> can get quite cold up there.Â
>>>>
>>>> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living
>>>> aboard with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this
>>>> year so it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at
>>>> night, even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights
>>>> but I have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall
>>>> colours are out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't
>>>> want to spend money that could go elsewhere.Â
>>>>
>>>> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear
>>>> they don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but
>>>> don't want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are
>>>> best.Â
>>>>
>>>> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear
>>>> from others who have gone through it.Â
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>>> Toronto
>>>>
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