Ok, so it looks like I shouldn't be installing one of these in the engine compartment of my gasoline powered boat:
Warning - Explosion Hazard 1. Heater must be turned off while re-fueling. 2. Do not install heater in enclosed areas where combustible fumes may be present. *3. Do not install heaters in engine compartments of gasoline powered boats.* Boo. Steve Suhana, C&C 32 Toronto On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I've never needed to start the engine to get the Espar to start. It has > always started and run fine off the batteries. > > Ken H. > > On 6 February 2016 at 14:52, Graham Collins via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> The Espar has an air intake hose, so provided the end of the hose is >> clear of any fumes you are good to go. You could connect that through 'to >> the main cabin if you wanted for enhanced piece of mind. If you have >> flammable vapor in your main cabin then all bets are off... >> >> And these things are pretty miserly, I might go through a gallon or two >> while working on the boat in the winter. So a tiny fuel tank would be >> adequate. >> >> I'm surprised at Bill's comment about startup draw, I run mine off >> batteries all the time and have never had an issue. >> >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >> >> On 2016-02-06 1:45 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote: >> >> I'm reading the marine installation manual >> <http://www.esparofmichigan.com/techsupport/pdfs/Marine%20installations/Airtronic%20marine_installation_manual.pdf> >> and have some questions: >> >> - Under safety it reads: "The position of the combustion air must not >> allow exhaust fumes or flammable vapour to be drawn in". I have a gasoline >> tank in my engine compartment. Does this preclude me from installing one of >> these? >> >> - Can anyone recommend a suitable fuel tank? I'de like something small >> that I can top off from a jerry can, so I can secure it into place in the >> lazarette. 5 gallons maybe? What are others using if using a separate tank? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve >> Suhana, C&C 32 >> Toronto >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Russ, >>> >>> I figure with the newport, the tank is inside the cabin (somewhere >>> behind the bulkhead I would imagine, hanging locker on my boat likely). >>> With the espar/webasto, it's in the engine compartment. Also with the >>> newport, this is pretty much how i have to mount it: >>> >>> http://www.thechandleryonline.com/images/productimages/thumbs/153_NewportHeaterInstalled.jpg >>> >>> Starboard I have a dinette and of course the mast. Port side isn't >>> optimal either. Now that I'm thinking about the tank actually, and the >>> venting, I'm not really sure where I'de locate a tank for the newport. >>> >>> Steve >>> Suhana, C&C 32 >>> Toronto >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List < >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> >>>> I should have listed install location in the "Cons:" list of the >>>> Newport heater. It can be tricky. >>>> >>>> The link I sent is for Newport diesel bulkhead unit. The D2 has a huge >>>> advantage on heat output on low settings, not to be overlooked. The Admiral >>>> & I are a big fan of radiant heat, also not to be overlooked. >>>> >>>> Diesel is the fuel for both heaters and tank location with proper >>>> venting is the same for both, so diesel odour is a wash, so to speak. The >>>> tank can be almost anywhere for either unit and if elevation is such that >>>> gravity feed is not going to work for the bulkhead heater then you get a >>>> little impulse pump similar to what the Espar uses. I would see about >>>> putting the tank in the cockpit combing area, that's high enough and easy >>>> to fit a deck fill to keep everything outside. Either heater would like a 2 >>>> - 4 gallon tank since you're looking at up to 1 gallon a day use in cold >>>> conditions maybe a bit less for the D2. >>>> >>>> On the 40' wooden boat I'm fitting out for retirement cruising I will >>>> have both types of heaters so I won't need to choose which one is best. :) >>>> >>>> Cheers, Russ >>>> *Sweet *35 mk-1 >>>> Vancouver Island >>>> >>>> >>>> At 03:24 PM 05/02/2016, you wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the helpful replies, all. >>>> >>>> Russ, I really love the idea of the newport heaters, to be honest, I >>>> like the idea of solid fuel the most. A proper wood fire is one of my >>>> favourite things. But the only units worth getting are expensive wood stove >>>> types, which are super nice, but I can't justify the expense and they have >>>> drawbacks on a boat. The espar is appealing because it's out of the way. >>>> The problem for me with the diesel newport is the fuel. I have an A4 >>>> powered boat and one thing I really like about my boat is that it doesn't >>>> smell like diesel! The bulkhead diesel heater would necessitate a gravity >>>> tank somewhere inside and I'm not sure where I'de have space, maybe in the >>>> hanging locker. I'm concerned about the diesel smell. Most of what I've >>>> read about them is good however and to your point, maybe more heat than the >>>> D2, less money for sure. It's still an option, will my boat smell like >>>> diesel? >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> Suhana, C&C 32 >>>> Toronto >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> How much fuel does the Espar burn an hour? I use a propane tent heater >>>> the warms the cabin for 6 hrs on a small canister, but it's not dry heat. >>>> It takes the chill off, but doesn't dry the inside on a foggy Maine >>>> evening. >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> C&C 40 >>>> Peregrine >>>> >>>> >>>> Andrew Burton >>>> PO Box 632 >>>> Newport, RI >>>> USA 02840 >>>> >>>> +401 965 5260 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 17:29, William Walker via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Steve, >>>>  I have an espar installed by po, no problems in five years. But, >>>> does have significant current draw at start up. I need to start engine to >>>> fire up unless on shore power. After it gets going no problem. Outlet >>>> in main cabin, v berth and head. >>>> Bill Walker >>>> Pentwater Mi >>>> CnC 36 >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> On Friday, February 5, 2016 Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I'm starting to look at the Espar and Webasto units. Is anyone running >>>> one on a 32? There's a good price jump from the Espar D2 to the D4. The >>>> literature indicates the D2 is good to 26 feet of boat, so it sounds like I >>>> need the D4 :( >>>> >>>> My use is Georgian Bay, just want to extend the season, not living >>>> aboard in the winter. The boat is two hours away so there will be >>>> "maintenance" trips in the spring and fall which means sleeping aboard, it >>>> can get quite cold up there. >>>> >>>> I have to keep the temps warm for the boat parrot who'll be living >>>> aboard with us while we cruise. We're planning three weeks in August this >>>> year so it shouldn't be too much of an issue but it gets cold up there at >>>> night, even in August. I imagine a D2 would be fine for cold summer nights >>>> but I have ideas about maybe cruising the North Channel when the fall >>>> colours are out. I don't want to limit myself. At the same time, I don't >>>> want to spend money that could go elsewhere. >>>> >>>> The Newport Dickinson Diesel bulkhead heaters are pretty but I hear >>>> they don't make quite enough heat. I'm leaning this way for the cost, but >>>> don't want to be disappointed. Everyone says the Espar and Webastos are >>>> best. >>>> >>>> I'de be doing the installation myself in any case so am eager to hear >>>> from others who have gone through it. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> Suhana, C&C 32 >>>> Toronto >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including >>>> unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Email address: >>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >>>> bottom of page at: >>>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the >> bottom of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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