I agree, but when is the last time you saw a J30 in a non-spin fleet? The real disadvantage in PHRF goes to the non-planing boats when the wind kicks up. My 35 is not planing in 20 knots of wind!
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: > ** > Interesting but not really true. A planing hull loses its ability to > plane without the spin and a J 30 is far less affected than a boat such as > C&C 115 with a 200% masthead spin and max LP of 108% of J > > I do like the idea though. Single rating is so so much simpler. Also > takes away the task of having to determine how much of the boat's speed is > due to spinnaker and attempting to adjust. Base handicaps are far far > easier to set than all of these adjustments. > > I like it! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel > Aronson > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:48 AM > > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > PHRF Chesapeake gives a single rating. Races are either spin or > non-spin. I guess they assume that use of a chute benefits everyone > equally. > > Joel > 35/3 > Annapolis > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com>wrote: > >> ** >> Explain how non spin and spin ratings are the same? >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jake >> Brodersen >> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 10:00 PM >> >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review >> >> Tim,**** >> >> **** >> >> I have a base rating of 123, which I think we can sail to pretty well in >> non-spin. Our boat has the same rating for spin and non-spin. For >> comparison, the J30 is rated at 141 here. **** >> >> **** >> >> When we sail with the spin fleet we have worked our way into the middle >> of the pack, which is about where I expect to be, based on our experience. >> The J30 keeps pace with us going upwind. We tend to do better going >> downwind. We do have some good local talent that we sail against, >> including a J30 national one-design champion. Most of our equipment is up >> to par, although both our .5 oz. and .75 oz. chutes are over 15 years old. >> They are in need of replacement, but still hold a pretty good shape. It's >> just the material is no longer as crisp as it once was.**** >> >> **** >> >> What we really like is the kick ass performance of the boat in the >> non-spin fleet. The boat is tough to beat in light air and we have plenty >> of that on the Chesapeake.**** >> >> **** >> >> Jake**** >> >> **** >> >> *Jake Brodersen* >> >> *C&C 35 Mk-III* >> >> *Midnight Mistress* >> >> *Hampton VA* >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim >> Goodyear >> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 8:55 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Stus-List Handicap review**** >> >> **** >> >> Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association is planning to review the C&C >> 35-3 PHRF handicap on March 26th. I've been invited to present our case >> with the owner of the only other 35-3 racing in the area. **** >> >> **** >> >> 35-3 owners (and others), what are your ratings (spinnaker) and how do >> they compare, and how are your results, against boats such as those below >> that we typically race against (I added a couple of other C&C's too)? The >> ECSA racing area (Long Island Sound) is predominantly light air.**** >> >> **** >> >> Thanks,**** >> >> **** >> >> Tim**** >> >> **** >> >> Soverel 33**** >> >> 89**** >> >> C&C 99**** >> >> 98**** >> >> Evelyn 32-2**** >> >> 99**** >> >> Express 34**** >> >> 99**** >> >> X372**** >> >> 100**** >> >> Frers 33**** >> >> 108**** >> >> J/29 MHOB**** >> >> 114**** >> >> C&C 38-3**** >> >> 115**** >> >> C&C 35-3**** >> >> 117**** >> >> Santana 30-30**** >> >> 120**** >> >> C&C 36**** >> >> 132**** >> >> J/30**** >> >> 135**** >> >> C&C 34**** >> >> 144**** >> >> C&C 33**** >> >> 149**** >> >> C&C 30-1**** >> >> 168**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- Joel 301 541 8551
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