Some YRAs have moved to giving separate spin/nspin ratings because boats with a fractional rig and blade jib (usually sprit boats) are viewed as disadvantaged downwind with no spinnaker as they don't have a big jib to pole out. From what I have seen mast head rigs pretty much always have the same spin.
On the Hudson River the base non-spin rating assumes you have a whisker pole that can be extended to 1.5 of J. if you use a pole that is significantly less that your largest declared LP (e.g. a spinnaker pole with a 155%) you can get a up to a 6 sec credit. Eric C&C 34/36 PS repeating above, spin and nospin race in different fleets. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>wrote: > ** > And an amendment: they assume there are separate classes/fleets. There is > no intermixing of spin and non spin boats in this scheme. > > Our two local organizations do mix the fleets - our Wed Nite group adds 10 > percent for non spin boats and it almost works, depending on the course. > Our Saturday racers (small club, only about 10 boats with handicaps from 75 > to 250) adds 15% for non spinnaker and half that if you are using a > cruising chute flown from the bow - no pole or sprit. That almost works as > well, but it allows folks with small or inexperienced crew to come out and > get experience. > > Needless to say, it creates many interesting arguments each spring when we > revisit the SI's. > > Gary > Miles River - smooth water off the Chesapeake > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Gary Nylander <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > What Ches Bay has done is assign a non-spin rating for boats (which are > rated with a spinnaker) and are racing without one (like at frostbites or > in a non-spinnaker fleet). > > The only time the rating is different is when the spinnaker rating takes > into account some non-normal factor, such as the J-24 I race on at times, > which has a masthead chute. It is the standard J-24 rating of 171 without > the spinnaker because the bigger spinnaker is not being used, and 165 with > the chute. Similar, a friend has a C&C 115, which rates 75 with spinnaker > (longer than standard pole) and 78 without. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:44 AM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > Explain how non spin and spin ratings are the same? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jake > Brodersen > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 10:00 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > Tim,**** > > ** ** > > I have a base rating of 123, which I think we can sail to pretty well in > non-spin. Our boat has the same rating for spin and non-spin. For > comparison, the J30 is rated at 141 here. **** > > ** ** > > When we sail with the spin fleet we have worked our way into the middle of > the pack, which is about where I expect to be, based on our experience. > The J30 keeps pace with us going upwind. We tend to do better going > downwind. We do have some good local talent that we sail against, > including a J30 national one-design champion. Most of our equipment is up > to par, although both our .5 oz. and .75 oz. chutes are over 15 years old. > They are in need of replacement, but still hold a pretty good shape. It's > just the material is no longer as crisp as it once was.**** > > ** ** > > What we really like is the kick ass performance of the boat in the > non-spin fleet. The boat is tough to beat in light air and we have plenty > of that on the Chesapeake.**** > > ** ** > > Jake**** > > ** ** > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *Midnight Mistress* > > *Hampton VA* > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim > Goodyear > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 8:55 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Stus-List Handicap review**** > > ** ** > > Eastern Connecticut Sailing Association is planning to review the C&C 35-3 > PHRF handicap on March 26th. I've been invited to present our case with > the owner of the only other 35-3 racing in the area. **** > > ** ** > > 35-3 owners (and others), what are your ratings (spinnaker) and how do > they compare, and how are your results, against boats such as those below > that we typically race against (I added a couple of other C&C's too)? The > ECSA racing area (Long Island Sound) is predominantly light air.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > ** ** > > Tim**** > > ** ** > > Soverel 33**** > > 89**** > > C&C 99**** > > 98**** > > Evelyn 32-2**** > > 99**** > > Express 34**** > > 99**** > > X372**** > > 100**** > > Frers 33**** > > 108**** > > J/29 MHOB**** > > 114**** > > C&C 38-3**** > > 115**** > > C&C 35-3**** > > 117**** > > Santana 30-30**** > > 120**** > > C&C 36**** > > 132**** > > J/30**** > > 135**** > > C&C 34**** > > 144**** > > C&C 33**** > > 149**** > > C&C 30-1**** > > 168**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >
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