Hi Glen,
Maybe we should trade...:)
A much later project, I plan to get rid of the holding tank under the
v-berth and put in a flex-tank located outboard of the toilet, like
Dennis did. And reclaim that valuable stowage area under the v-berth
(for light stuff).
I say much later because it is working now and I am swamped with self
imposed expectations of projects. The hose run to the v-berth does
not give problems. The switching valve is in the port lower locker,
same area and above the thru-hull valves, under the clothes drawers.
It is awkward to turn but not something that is done regularly
anyhow. The pumpout leads out in the forepeak area.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
At 08:48 AM 06/01/2013, you wrote:
I'm going to remove the head and holding tank from my c&c 35 mk I.
I have original bladder tank just below the sink counter.
I'm planning on moving the holding tank to the v-birth. Tips from
any that have done this on a c&c 35 mk I would be greatly appreciated.
Specifically is there any problem with the added distance between
the holding tank and the head?
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From: "Brent Driedger" <bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Subject: Stus-List Boat beauty
Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:27 am
Hi Chuck, if you are ever in or through my area you have an open
invitation to join me for a sail anytime. Anytime the lake isn't
covered by 4 feet of ice that is. Yes my mark V is the deep draft variety.
Brent
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On 2013-01-06, at 12:26 AM, Chuck S
<<mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Brent,
Enjoyed your response.
I'd much rather have a shoal draft C&C 27 MkV on a trailer, than a
MacGregor whatever the cost. The C&C 27 MkV is a beautiful boat to
my eye. I think you have the deeper fixed keel, but I enjoy your
comments and I would enjoy crewing for you in a race, if possible.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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From: "Brent Driedger"
<<mailto:bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>
To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:56:13 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat beauty
This has been an interesting thread as I recently had this
conversation with friends in Vancouver. They mentioned to me that
they were interested in a M26 and wanted my opinion on the matter.
I explained to them that its a boat that has a very specific niche
and its limitations need to be understood and respected. I told
them if they want to trailer it to nearby lakes for a weekend or
quick decision day sail it would be an ok choice. I also cautioned
them about ever taking it offshore. I said that its really a boat
that doesn't know what it wants to be and as a result it does
neither task well and in inexperienced hands in the wrong
conditions they can be very dangerous. That statement is true of
any boat but I feel the older C&Cs will likely be more forgiving
when a novice gets into weather that's over their heads.
I followed up with some examples of older boats that may be a
little less convenient to set up quickly but when the wind starts
blowing over 35 knots I'd sooner be in ANY sized overbuilt C&C,
Grampion, CS, O'day or Tanzer than have to rely on a 60 hp engine
to get me back to safety.
The art of sailing by itself drives good seamanship and self
sufficiency. M26s do not encourage this.
As for the argument on pretty, well it's my own opinion that the
older M26's prior to becoming bastardized motor boats were actually
somewhat pretty. They definitely mangled the lines to make it work
with large outboard.
Build quality, I have no opinion on that but the rig certainly
looks wimpy compared to the telephone poles that stick up from our
decks. Even my old Bruce Kirby designed DS22 had a more robust rig
and might I add was a very pretty boat.
Brent Driedger
C&C 27V
Lake Winnipeg
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On 2013-01-05, at 10:34 PM, Chuck S
<<mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote:
One man's opinion of beauty can vary widely from anothers.
Olin Stephens drew nice lines early on. Dorade, Bolero,
etc. Later he made a statement something like, "A pretty boat is a
fast boat." I take that to mean that his customer's values had
shifted so that "fast" was more important than style. Hence, we
now have boats with plumb bows with retractable sprits. Destroyer
bows common to C&Cs have a wonderful and practical reserve
buoyancy, that requires flared topsides, which help make the boat
drier, but have shorter waterlines; resulting in less speed for overall length.
Dennis Conner is a well respected sailor, but also wrote something
like the following in "Comeback", one of his books; "I don't have
any affection for a boat. I don't romanticize it or pat it
fondly. I take it sailing and drive it hard and possibly break
something. The best boat is simply a fast machine, that's all."
I don't think MacGregors are ugly. They serve a different purpose
than C&C. And there are uglier boats out there. But I do wonder
how many seasons they are kept operating, because the few I see
around here are active for a season, and then put up for sale and
sit for years on their trailers.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
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From: "Russ & Melody" <<mailto:russ...@telus.net>russ...@telus.net>
To: <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:50:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Two more boat reviews on the horizon
Hi Dwight,
This quote is from a 1983 article . I thought the original came
from Herreshoff but I couldn't find it.
As Bruce Kirby, designer of Canada 1 says, "there is no excuse for
an ugly boat".
It nicely sums my opinion of the Mac 26 and in hindsight I should
have suggested the GOB review belonged in a different magazine,
such as Trailer Sailor. And not contained in something as
respectful as Good Old Boat.
Sadly, there are so many boats out there that I call "boat show
boats" because they seem to be built to a poll on what buyers want
in a boat... all the features, not large and low cost. To satisfy,
this necessitates high freeboard, ugly sheers, no practical stowage
and cheap builds. They look okay to a niaeve buyer at the boat show.
<insert sound of writer stepping off soapbox>
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1, with a pretty sheerline
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