Hi Brent,
Enjoyed your response.
I'd much rather have a shoal draft C&C 27 MkV on a trailer, than a MacGregor
whatever the cost. The C&C 27 MkV is a beautiful boat to my eye. I think you
have the deeper fixed keel, but I enjoy your comments and I would enjoy crewing
for you in a race, if possible.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Driedger" <bren...@highspeedcrow.ca>
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:56:13 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat beauty
This has been an interesting thread as I recently had this conversation with
friends in Vancouver. They mentioned to me that they were interested in a M26
and wanted my opinion on the matter. I explained to them that its a boat that
has a very specific niche and its limitations need to be understood and
respected. I told them if they want to trailer it to nearby lakes for a weekend
or quick decision day sail it would be an ok choice. I also cautioned them
about ever taking it offshore. I said that its really a boat that doesn't know
what it wants to be and as a result it does neither task well and in
inexperienced hands in the wrong conditions they can be very dangerous. That
statement is true of any boat but I feel the older C&Cs will likely be more
forgiving when a novice gets into weather that's over their heads.
I followed up with some examples of older boats that may be a little less
convenient to set up quickly but when the wind starts blowing over 35 knots I'd
sooner be in ANY sized overbuilt C&C, Grampion, CS, O'day or Tanzer than have
to rely on a 60 hp engine to get me back to safety.
The art of sailing by itself drives good seamanship and self sufficiency. M26s
do not encourage this.
As for the argument on pretty, well it's my own opinion that the older M26's
prior to becoming bastardized motor boats were actually somewhat pretty. They
definitely mangled the lines to make it work with large outboard.
Build quality, I have no opinion on that but the rig certainly looks wimpy
compared to the telephone poles that stick up from our decks. Even my old Bruce
Kirby designed DS22 had a more robust rig and might I add was a very pretty
boat.
Brent Driedger
C&C 27V
Lake Winnipeg
Sent from my iPod
On 2013-01-05, at 10:34 PM, Chuck S < cscheaf...@comcast.net > wrote:
One man's opinion of beauty can vary widely from anothers.
Olin Stephens drew nice lines early on. Dorade, Bolero, etc. Later he made a
statement something like, "A pretty boat is a fast boat ." I take that to mean
that his customer's values had shifted so that "fast" was more important than
style. Hence, we now have boats with plumb bows with retractable sprits.
Destroyer bows common to C&Cs have a wonderful and practical reserve buoyancy,
that requires flared topsides, which help make the boat drier, but have shorter
waterlines; resulting in less speed for overall length.
Dennis Conner is a well respected sailor, but also wrote something like the
following in "Comeback", one of his books; "I don't have any affection for a
boat. I don't romanticize it or pat it fondly. I take it sailing and drive it
hard and possibly break something. The best boat is simply a fast machine,
that's all."
I don't think MacGregors are ugly. They serve a different purpose than C&C. And
there are uglier boats out there. But I do wonder how many seasons they are
kept operating, because the few I see around here are active for a season, and
then put up for sale and sit for years on their trailers.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ & Melody" < russ...@telus.net >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:50:05 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Two more boat reviews on the horizon
Hi Dwight,
This quote is from a 1983 article . I thought the original came from Herreshoff
but I couldn't find it.
1. As Bruce Kirby, designer of Canada 1 says, " there is no excuse for an
ugly boat ".
It nicely sums my opinion of the Mac 26 and in hindsight I should have
suggested the GOB review belonged in a different magazine, such as Trailer
Sailor. And not contained in something as respectful as Good Old Boat.
Sadly, there are so many boats out there that I call "boat show boats" because
they seem to be built to a poll on what buyers want in a boat... all the
features, not large and low cost. To satisfy, this necessitates high freeboard,
ugly sheers, no practical stowage and cheap builds. They look okay to a niaeve
buyer at the boat show.
<insert sound of writer stepping off soapbox>
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1, with a pretty sheerline
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