On 2011-01-03, at 5:41 AM, Ken Wesson wrote:

> No; as I mentioned in my earlier post, I use NetBeans but thought I'd
> see if there was an alternative out there that equaled or beat that
> yet.

Hi there,

I'm a new to Clojure (having started in late November), and a long-time Eclipse 
user. As such, I consider myself part of "the target audience" that Ken appears 
to find underserved in this case, and hence wanted to throw in my two cents.

My first instinct was to Google "eclipse clojure plugin", the exact same way 
that I've previously Googled "eclipse git plugin", "eclipse scala plugin", etc. 
Then, I click obvious "install-related" links until I find the update site URL. 
I was up and running with counterclockwise in about 10 minutes.

"The Eclipse way" of doing things is pretty arcane for the uninitialized. Once 
you get through the frustration of dealing with the poorly-organized Eclipse 
website and learning the appropriate secret handshakes, it eventually becomes 
usable and "intuitive" (or at least, your mind eventually warps itself to fit 
the Eclipse mould). That this seems so strange to "outsiders" (or indeed that 
non-regular Eclipse users are made to feel like outsiders) is the fault of the 
Eclipse project, in my opinion.

That said, getting started with CCW was totally intuitive, at least for me.

Hope that helps,
Michael

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