On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Chas Emerick <cemer...@snowtide.com> wrote:
>>> The Google Code site *is* the ccw site
>> Really? That is ... non-obvious.
>
> I'm genuinely curious: why do you think that isn't obvious?
Because from its url it looks like it'll just be the code repository.
It doesn't *seem* any more promising as the home page link than the
github.com results you tend to get when you search for other
Clojure-related material.
Lots of people expect a project to have a sourceforge, github, Google
Code, or similar page that isn't very end-user friendly because it's
targeted at the developers and not the users, plus its own .com or
whatever site (e.g., clojure.org) that serves as the home page for the
generally interested public (often linking to sourceforge or wherever
from the big friendly DOWNLOAD WINDOWS INSTALLER button, though).
>> I'd think the opposite -- that's when it most needs growth in its
>> user-base, and users not being able to quickly find via Google an
>> *obvious* home site will hamper adoption.
>
> The CounterClockWise project home page is the #1 result for Googling
> clojure plugin eclipse (which seems the most obvious phrase to me). In
> fact, clojure plugin {IDE} leads to the project home page for each of
> Eclipse, Netbeans, IDEA so I'd say all three are easy to find. For
> TextMate, the Clojure bundle is the second result (ironically, it's
> the third result for the more obvious clojure bundle textmate search).
If it is the Google Code page, then we're both right. It is easy to
find; it's just not quite as easy to recognize. Lots of people will
think "code.google.com -- that'll be the repository. But I'm not
looking to dive into its source code; I just want the page that links
to the end-user documentation and links to SETUP.EXE and tells me in
plain English all about the darn thing". Which, if it's at
code.google.com, they will therefore not find because it's in the last
place they'd look.
>> "Marketplace"? That doesn't sound good. Are they actually charging
>> money for it?
>
> Interesting that you would assume that.
That something calling itself an "app store" or a "plugin marketplace"
or some similar phrase is not giving everything away for free? It's
not exactly the world's strangest assumption to make. :)
> I know of several technologies that have a "marketplace" for free
> add-ons / applications. Presumably, you're not familiar with Eclipse?
No; as I mentioned in my earlier post, I use NetBeans but thought I'd
see if there was an alternative out there that equaled or beat that
yet.
> It's just a centralized distribution channel for plugins. Unfortunately,
> the search engine is offline right now
Not a very good sign. You expect that kind of thing from penny-ante
operators with cheap Dreamhost plans, not big-name open source
projects or big commercial outfits (and didn't Eclipse at one time
have heavy backing from Big Blue?).
In the meantime I'd suggest using a site-scoped Google search. Besides
the fact that Google's search engine is *never* "offline right now", I
find that its site-scoped search frequently gives superior results to
the built-in search even on some big-name professional sites (all of
Microsoft's multifarious sites, for starters).
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