On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Chas Emerick <cemer...@snowtide.com> wrote: >>> The Google Code site *is* the ccw site >> Really? That is ... non-obvious. > > I'm genuinely curious: why do you think that isn't obvious?
Because from its url it looks like it'll just be the code repository. It doesn't *seem* any more promising as the home page link than the github.com results you tend to get when you search for other Clojure-related material. Lots of people expect a project to have a sourceforge, github, Google Code, or similar page that isn't very end-user friendly because it's targeted at the developers and not the users, plus its own .com or whatever site (e.g., clojure.org) that serves as the home page for the generally interested public (often linking to sourceforge or wherever from the big friendly DOWNLOAD WINDOWS INSTALLER button, though). >> I'd think the opposite -- that's when it most needs growth in its >> user-base, and users not being able to quickly find via Google an >> *obvious* home site will hamper adoption. > > The CounterClockWise project home page is the #1 result for Googling > clojure plugin eclipse (which seems the most obvious phrase to me). In > fact, clojure plugin {IDE} leads to the project home page for each of > Eclipse, Netbeans, IDEA so I'd say all three are easy to find. For > TextMate, the Clojure bundle is the second result (ironically, it's > the third result for the more obvious clojure bundle textmate search). If it is the Google Code page, then we're both right. It is easy to find; it's just not quite as easy to recognize. Lots of people will think "code.google.com -- that'll be the repository. But I'm not looking to dive into its source code; I just want the page that links to the end-user documentation and links to SETUP.EXE and tells me in plain English all about the darn thing". Which, if it's at code.google.com, they will therefore not find because it's in the last place they'd look. >> "Marketplace"? That doesn't sound good. Are they actually charging >> money for it? > > Interesting that you would assume that. That something calling itself an "app store" or a "plugin marketplace" or some similar phrase is not giving everything away for free? It's not exactly the world's strangest assumption to make. :) > I know of several technologies that have a "marketplace" for free > add-ons / applications. Presumably, you're not familiar with Eclipse? No; as I mentioned in my earlier post, I use NetBeans but thought I'd see if there was an alternative out there that equaled or beat that yet. > It's just a centralized distribution channel for plugins. Unfortunately, > the search engine is offline right now Not a very good sign. You expect that kind of thing from penny-ante operators with cheap Dreamhost plans, not big-name open source projects or big commercial outfits (and didn't Eclipse at one time have heavy backing from Big Blue?). In the meantime I'd suggest using a site-scoped Google search. Besides the fact that Google's search engine is *never* "offline right now", I find that its site-scoped search frequently gives superior results to the built-in search even on some big-name professional sites (all of Microsoft's multifarious sites, for starters). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en