2011/1/3 Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com>

>
> > But for sure having a proper domain name would be great, as well as a
> great
> > web site with a great graphical design as enclojure has, but I'm not
> > planning right now to spend time on building / buying this.
>
> It's you who manages CCW's web presence then? Huh.
>

Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker. Would you please explain how I
should interpret "Huh" in this context ?


>
> > My suggestion would be that, acknowledging that easing the access to IDEs
> is
> > good for both Clojure adoption and the IDEs :
> >
> >   * there is a dedicated "IDEs" in the top right box on clojure.org,
> > currently pointing to the "master wiki page" on Assembla
> >   * and / or an "IDEs" page in the left menu of clojure.org, with the
> > content of the "master wiki page" on Assembla (containing links to each
> > IDE-specific Getting Started instructions)
>
> Please do remember though that someone dipping his toes into
> programming and not already an experienced developer (or even,
> perhaps, an experienced commercial-software developer with little
> experience in the open-source world) is liable to be intimidated by
> any links to assembla, github, and so forth on the general theory that
> "that leads to source code, bug trackers, developer mailing lists, and
> other complicated stuff and I just want to download this thing in an
> executable form and try it out". :)
>
> That's after the first couple of times following links to those sites
> in other situations and being faced with a big developer-central page
> full of bells and whistles that mostly in turn lead to login prompts
> rather than something user-friendly to people not looking to work with
> a source code repository and bug tracker at that time.
>
> It seems there's more content at those sites than just such project
> control panels, and you and I know that, but I am considering the
> likelihood that part of your desired user base probably does not know
> that. And in fact newbie programmers are an *important* part of that
> user base, perhaps the *most* important.
>


For the laziest users (or the more effective ones, everything is always a
question of viewpoint ;-), using the eclipse integrated market place is the
@right think to do@ as a first intention, anyway :-p


>
> > Now that all this is said, I clearly have the intention, eventually, to
> have
> > a domain name for Counterclockwise, as well as a decent website. Now just
> > doesn't feel the right timing to me, given that resources are limited.
>
> That's okay. Once again, it is not for my own sake so much as for that
> of potential new users less knowledgeable about some of these things
> that I offered these suggestions.
>
>
Yes, we all want the best for clojure, and that's why I said thank you for
your feedback.

Cheers,

-- 
Laurent

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