On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Because from its url it looks like it'll just be the code repository. >> It doesn't *seem* any more promising as the home page link than the >> github.com results you tend to get when you search for other >> Clojure-related material. > > Good feedback. Thanx. I guess I'm used to reading wikis on github as > being the official project home pages but I can see your p.o.v. > > I'm a developer so I think it's reasonable to read about developer > tools on developer sites but I'm getting the sense that a lot of > people coming to Clojure are not coming from what might be called a > 'traditional developer' background? > >> Lots of people expect a project to have a sourceforge, github, Google >> Code, or similar page that isn't very end-user friendly because it's >> targeted at the developers and not the users, plus its own .com or >> whatever site (e.g., clojure.org) that serves as the home page for the >> generally interested public (often linking to sourceforge or wherever >> from the big friendly DOWNLOAD WINDOWS INSTALLER button, though). > > Point taken but I find it an interesting distinction given that the > users of developer tools like CCW are developers :)
Yes, but they are developers of something else, not of CCW itself; CCW's source code may not interest them very much. You're interested in the developer-centric pages for projects you're actually developers on. I would be surprised to find very many coders very interested in such pages for most of the stuff they just use, though (or to have time to be!). And if ANYONE starting out using a new, sizable and complex piece of software doesn't want to start first as a "normal user" with user-oriented introductory texts, installers/packages that are turn-key, etc. and *maybe* graduate to digging deeper into the project's internals, perhaps contributing patches, etc. *later*. Perhaps *much* later, and time and interest permitting. > However, as someone involved with an free open source CFML engine who > is faced with a large number of Windows developers who expect simple > click-click-done installers, I think I can understand where you're > coming from... Yes. I'm sure they're much more interested in developing their CFML-using projects than in developing CFML itself. Some (many?) may be being paid to develop their CFML-using projects, but aren't being paid to develop CFML itself (though they may wind up contributing to CFML at some point, especially where doing so may pay dividends later in making their own project-development easier down the line). > So if CounterClockWise had its own domain website that pointed to the > Google repo and the wiki and the Assembla wiki (where all the other > IDE plugins are documented), you'd be mollified? Certainly. But it's not about mollifying me; it's about making it friendlier to the potentially large number of potential new users who might be put off by not seeing any promising-enough-looking starting-point in their google results. The domain's root URL could even just redirect to whichever project page at code.google.com has the "for-end-users home page" of the project, so long as the combination of the domain name and the SERP synopsis made the google hit clearly the starting point for prospective new users, and the google hit ranked highly (preferably #1) for reasonably narrowly targeted queries aimed at finding Counterclockwise's home on the web. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
