I'll have to admit that when I started out using clojure I was confused as well with the google code page. It's hard to see "what to do to get ccw on my eclipse." A nice, comforting website that looks like it was designed only for end-users would be helpful I think. Partly this is eclipse's fault for making it semi-difficult to install software. The "front-end" site you're proposing would have made it easier for me, at least. If you would like help making a nice-looking, simple front-end website for the time being I would be happy to help set up something easy.
Let me know, and thanks for making a great plugin for eclipse. Sincerely, --Robert McIntyre On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:27 AM, Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Sean Corfield <seancorfi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Ken Wesson <kwess...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Because from its url it looks like it'll just be the code repository. >>> It doesn't *seem* any more promising as the home page link than the >>> github.com results you tend to get when you search for other >>> Clojure-related material. >> >> Good feedback. Thanx. I guess I'm used to reading wikis on github as >> being the official project home pages but I can see your p.o.v. >> >> I'm a developer so I think it's reasonable to read about developer >> tools on developer sites but I'm getting the sense that a lot of >> people coming to Clojure are not coming from what might be called a >> 'traditional developer' background? >> >>> Lots of people expect a project to have a sourceforge, github, Google >>> Code, or similar page that isn't very end-user friendly because it's >>> targeted at the developers and not the users, plus its own .com or >>> whatever site (e.g., clojure.org) that serves as the home page for the >>> generally interested public (often linking to sourceforge or wherever >>> from the big friendly DOWNLOAD WINDOWS INSTALLER button, though). >> >> Point taken but I find it an interesting distinction given that the >> users of developer tools like CCW are developers :) > > Yes, but they are developers of something else, not of CCW itself; > CCW's source code may not interest them very much. > > You're interested in the developer-centric pages for projects you're > actually developers on. I would be surprised to find very many coders > very interested in such pages for most of the stuff they just use, > though (or to have time to be!). And if ANYONE starting out using a > new, sizable and complex piece of software doesn't want to start first > as a "normal user" with user-oriented introductory texts, > installers/packages that are turn-key, etc. and *maybe* graduate to > digging deeper into the project's internals, perhaps contributing > patches, etc. *later*. Perhaps *much* later, and time and interest > permitting. > >> However, as someone involved with an free open source CFML engine who >> is faced with a large number of Windows developers who expect simple >> click-click-done installers, I think I can understand where you're >> coming from... > > Yes. I'm sure they're much more interested in developing their > CFML-using projects than in developing CFML itself. Some (many?) may > be being paid to develop their CFML-using projects, but aren't being > paid to develop CFML itself (though they may wind up contributing to > CFML at some point, especially where doing so may pay dividends later > in making their own project-development easier down the line). > >> So if CounterClockWise had its own domain website that pointed to the >> Google repo and the wiki and the Assembla wiki (where all the other >> IDE plugins are documented), you'd be mollified? > > Certainly. But it's not about mollifying me; it's about making it > friendlier to the potentially large number of potential new users who > might be put off by not seeing any promising-enough-looking > starting-point in their google results. > > The domain's root URL could even just redirect to whichever project > page at code.google.com has the "for-end-users home page" of the > project, so long as the combination of the domain name and the SERP > synopsis made the google hit clearly the starting point for > prospective new users, and the google hit ranked highly (preferably > #1) for reasonably narrowly targeted queries aimed at finding > Counterclockwise's home on the web. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
