If you are a regulated rate of return ILEC, it does not have to generate any revenue to earn its 11.25% annual rate of return. And typically USDA loans are almost 0% interest. So the game is to borrow as much as you can.
Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:15 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband That one appears to be a USDA loan in New Mexico, according to: https://www.telecompetitor.com/usda-reconnect-program-announces-173m-in-broadband-funding/ One can still ask how it will generate enough revenue to pay back the loan. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband Child's play. Applicant: Roosevelt County Rural Telephone Cooperative, Inc. $29,077,000 115 PNF-001260 $252,843 $252k per household. On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: $30 for low income customers. 5G Home Internet has set the expectation that broadband should cost $35 to $55/mo, depending on whether you bundle a mobile phone. And it seems like every time YouTube TV increases their price $10, ISPs are expected to lower their price $10 to offset it. And can you imagine the whining if an ISP took BEAD money and then had the audacity to try and charge $80 or $100/mo? Hey you bastards, you got millions of government money, the service should be FREE! From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 6:40 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband $50 seems a little light, not that you'd ever find a reasonable number to both the consumer and the cost recovery. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:32:17 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband BEAD requires the ISP put up 25% of the cost, but I think in “extremely high cost” areas, that can be negotiated. I’m guessing it was. If Beehive Broadband was putting up $25K per passing and needs to pay all the operational costs, this would never be profitable, even if they got 100% take rate and let’s say $50/month revenue. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Tyson Burris Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband Hell the government could relocate your home for less. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA NBBC Confidentiality Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. No Binding Agreement: This email is not a binding agreement or contract of any kind, unless it specifically states otherwise and expressly refers to a duly authorized agreement signed by both parties. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of mine alone and do not necessarily represent those of the company. If you have any doubts about the validity or enforceability of any agreement or arrangement discussed in this email, please consult with an attorney. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 4:06 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband $77k per location passed with no guarantee you even get the customer is absurd!!! Once the cost per passing exceeds a reasonable cost per dwelling, no funding should be awarded. I don't know what that number is but let's say if it costs $20k to pass a dwelling and the BEAD funding covers 50% then both the govt and ISP puts up $10k each to pass, that seems fair for fiber. But if the govt is offering $77k per passing and the ISP some amount of $ in addition, that project should NOT be funded. This is especially true today when Starlink and gear like Tarana is available and Kuiper is coming. The argument for high cost passings may have made a little more sense 5+ years ago before Starlink and Tarana but today, any passing cost above $20k should automatically be opened to WISPs or LEO networks. If an area is truly this expensive to serve then fiber is not a necessity and they can live fine with Starlink or a WISP. Fiber is great but only when there's a reasonable ROI. Chuck's example of $200k per passing is an absolute waste of money and should have never been funded under any circumstances. Being that it was 15 years ago, people could move somewhere else or use an alternate provider like Viasat or Hughesnet. On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:08 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: eplanning.blm.gov/public_projects/nepa/99183/138915/170930/IDT_Checklist_-_California_Survival_School_508.pdf Maybe that link will work. This is an example. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 12:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband Could you give a breakdown of where that $200K per location for NEPA compliance went? What did those archaeologists and engineers do? On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 1:15 p.m. <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: Yes, while this number looks crazy, I spent that much per location 15 years ago in rural nevada to serve about 22 farms and ranches with fiber. Most of the cost, over $200K per location was for permitting, mostly NEPA compliance. We had archaeologists and engineers out there for a couple years. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 11:49 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband The announcement of Nevada BEAD funding included this: a.. 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