The Nevada BEAD awards still have to be approved by NTIA, so
there’s time for the DOGE bros to block them. Sounds like Elon
has been promoted from “First Buddy” to “Shadow President”.
SPOTUS? Dick Cheney was kind of a SPOTUS, but at least he was
elected. So we may like the end, but I’m not fond of the means.
Seems like oligarchy time. Or is Musk our Rasputin?
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2024 10:27 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
If you are a regulated rate of return ILEC, it does not have to
generate any revenue to earn its 11.25% annual rate of return.
And typically USDA loans are almost 0% interest. So the game is
to borrow as much as you can.
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*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:15 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
That one appears to be a USDA loan in New Mexico, according to:
https://www.telecompetitor.com/usda-reconnect-program-announces-173m-in-broadband-funding/
One can still ask how it will generate enough revenue to pay back
the loan.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
Child's play.
Applicant: Roosevelt County Rural Telephone Cooperative, Inc.
$29,077,000
115
PNF-001260
$252,843
$252k per household.
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
$30 for low income customers.
5G Home Internet has set the expectation that broadband
should cost $35 to $55/mo, depending on whether you bundle a
mobile phone. And it seems like every time YouTube TV
increases their price $10, ISPs are expected to lower their
price $10 to offset it.
And can you imagine the whining if an ISP took BEAD money and
then had the audacity to try and charge $80 or $100/mo? Hey
you bastards, you got millions of government money, the
service should be FREE!
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2024 6:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
$50 seems a little light, not that you'd ever find a
reasonable number to both the consumer and the cost recovery.
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:32:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Beehive
Broadband<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>*
BEAD requires the ISP put up 25% of the cost, but I think in
“extremely high cost” areas, that can be negotiated. I’m
guessing it was. If Beehive Broadband was putting up $25K
per passing and needs to pay all the operational costs, this
would never be profitable, even if they got 100% take rate
and let’s say $50/month revenue.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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*From:AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Tyson Burris
Sent:Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:15 PM
To:AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Beehive
Broadband<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>*
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
Hell the government could relocate your home for
less.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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*Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2024 4:06 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <_af@af.afmug.com_>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
$77k per location passed with no guarantee you even get the
customer is absurd!!!
Once the cost per passing exceeds a reasonable cost per
dwelling, no funding should be awarded. I don't know what
that number is but let's say if it costs $20k to pass a
dwelling and the BEAD funding covers 50% then both the govt
and ISP puts up $10k each to pass, that seems fair for fiber.
But if the govt is offering $77k per passing and the ISP some
amount of $ in addition, that project should NOT be funded.
This is especially true today when Starlink and gear like
Tarana is available and Kuiper is coming. The argument for
high cost passings may have made a little more sense 5+ years
ago before Starlink and Tarana but today, any passing cost
above $20k should automatically be opened to WISPs or LEO
networks. If an area is truly this expensive to serve then
fiber is not a necessity and they can live fine with Starlink
or a WISP. Fiber is great but only when there's a reasonable ROI.
Chuck's example of $200k per passing is an absolute waste of
money and should have never been funded under any
circumstances. Being that it was 15 years ago, people could
move somewhere else or use an alternate provider like Viasat
or Hughesnet.
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:08 PM <_chuck@go-mtc.com_> wrote:
_eplanning.blm.gov/public_projects/nepa/99183/138915/170930/IDT_Checklist_-_California_Survival_School_508.pdf
<http://eplanning.blm.gov/public_projects/nepa/99183/138915/170930/IDT_Checklist_-_California_Survival_School_508.pdf>_
*Maybe that link will work. This is an example. *
*From:*Colin Stanners
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 18, 2024 12:38 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
Could you give a breakdown of where that $200K per
location for NEPA compliance went? What did those
archaeologists and engineers do?
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 1:15 p.m. <_chuck@go-mtc.com_> wrote:
Yes, while this number looks crazy, I spent that much
per location 15 years ago in rural nevada to serve
about 22 farms and ranches with fiber. Most of the
cost, over $200K per location was for permitting,
mostly NEPA compliance. We had archaeologists and
engineers out there for a couple years.
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 18, 2024 11:49 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*[AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
The announcement of Nevada BEAD funding included this:
* Beehive Broadband: $22,025,793 for 286 locations
Chuck, is that your old company?
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