That's a good one!
On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 8:35 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> Elonia.
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024, 4:08 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I meet semi-regularly with group of people (men and women) who were
>> talking (today) about Melania staying in NY for the next 4 years (AKA no
>> interest in being First lady). So Elon has become the "first lady"?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 12/19/2024 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> The Nevada BEAD awards still have to be approved by NTIA, so there’s time
>> for the DOGE bros to block them. Sounds like Elon has been promoted from
>> “First Buddy” to “Shadow President”. SPOTUS? Dick Cheney was kind of a
>> SPOTUS, but at least he was elected. So we may like the end, but I’m not
>> fond of the means. Seems like oligarchy time. Or is Musk our Rasputin?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2024 10:27 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are a regulated rate of return ILEC, it does not have to generate
>> any revenue to earn its 11.25% annual rate of return. And typically USDA
>> loans are almost 0% interest. So the game is to borrow as much as you
>> can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
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>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> That one appears to be a USDA loan in New Mexico, according to:
>>
>>
>> https://www.telecompetitor.com/usda-reconnect-program-announces-173m-in-broadband-funding/
>>
>>
>>
>> One can still ask how it will generate enough revenue to pay back the
>> loan.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2024 8:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> Child's play.
>>
>>
>>
>> Applicant: Roosevelt County Rural Telephone Cooperative, Inc.
>>
>> $29,077,000
>>
>> 115
>>
>> PNF-001260
>>
>> $252,843
>>
>>
>>
>> $252k per household.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>
>> $30 for low income customers.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5G Home Internet has set the expectation that broadband should cost $35
>> to $55/mo, depending on whether you bundle a mobile phone. And it seems
>> like every time YouTube TV increases their price $10, ISPs are expected to
>> lower their price $10 to offset it.
>>
>>
>>
>> And can you imagine the whining if an ISP took BEAD money and then had
>> the audacity to try and charge $80 or $100/mo? Hey you bastards, you got
>> millions of government money, the service should be FREE!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2024 6:40 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> $50 seems a little light, not that you'd ever find a reasonable number to
>> both the consumer and the cost recovery.
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From: "Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users
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>> BEAD requires the ISP put up 25% of the cost, but I think in “extremely
>> high cost” areas, that can be negotiated. I’m guessing it was. If Beehive
>> Broadband was putting up $25K per passing and needs to pay all the
>> operational costs, this would never be profitable, even if they got 100%
>> take rate and let’s say $50/month revenue.
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>> Wednesday, December 18, 2024 3:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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>> Hell the government could relocate your home for less.
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>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2024 4:06 PM
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
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>> $77k per location passed with no guarantee you even get the customer is
>> absurd!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Once the cost per passing exceeds a reasonable cost per dwelling, no
>> funding should be awarded. I don't know what that number is but let's say
>> if it costs $20k to pass a dwelling and the BEAD funding covers 50% then
>> both the govt and ISP puts up $10k each to pass, that seems fair for fiber.
>> But if the govt is offering $77k per passing and the ISP some amount of $
>> in addition, that project should NOT be funded. This is especially true
>> today when Starlink and gear like Tarana is available and Kuiper is coming.
>> The argument for high cost passings may have made a little more sense 5+
>> years ago before Starlink and Tarana but today, any passing cost above $20k
>> should automatically be opened to WISPs or LEO networks. If an area is
>> truly this expensive to serve then fiber is not a necessity and they can
>> live fine with Starlink or a WISP. Fiber is great but only when there's a
>> reasonable ROI.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck's example of $200k per passing is an absolute waste of money and
>> should have never been funded under any circumstances. Being that it was 15
>> years ago, people could move somewhere else or use an alternate provider
>> like Viasat or Hughesnet.
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:08 PM <*ch...@go-mtc.com <ch...@go-mtc.com>*>
>> wrote:
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>> *eplanning.blm.gov/public_projects/nepa/99183/138915/170930/IDT_Checklist_-_California_Survival_School_508.pdf
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>> *Maybe that link will work. This is an example. *
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>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2024 12:38 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you give a breakdown of where that $200K per location for NEPA
>> compliance went? What did those archaeologists and engineers do?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 1:15 p.m. <*ch...@go-mtc.com <ch...@go-mtc.com>*>
>> wrote:
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>> Yes, while this number looks crazy, I spent that much per location 15
>> years ago in rural nevada to serve about 22 farms and ranches with fiber.
>> Most of the cost, over $200K per location was for permitting, mostly NEPA
>> compliance. We had archaeologists and engineers out there for a couple
>> years.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2024 11:49 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Beehive Broadband
>>
>>
>>
>> The announcement of Nevada BEAD funding included this:
>>
>>
>>
>> - Beehive Broadband: $22,025,793 for 286 locations
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck, is that your old company?
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