450d was just a 450 SM with an integral dish, it had the same lower rcv gain as a 450b. It should have never existed.450b has higher xmt power than 450 SM, higher PPS thanks to faster CPU, and does 4.9 GHz thru 5.9 GHz in one SKU.---- Original Message ----From: "castarritt" Sent: 11/26/2024 11:34:04 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipmentYeah, the 450b "high" gain ended up a few dBi under a 450d or 450+reflector in 5.7ghz.? 450b peak gain was in DFS land where the gain on the AP antenna was the limiting factor, not the SM.On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:52?AM Sam Lambie <samtaos...@gmail.com> wrote:Not really. 450b sucks with Fresnel issue and other limitations. 450 and 450 retro SM's with reflector dishes still do a solid job for us here in NM.On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Do you have 450 and 450b reversed??From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Sam LambieSent: Monday, November 25, 2024 4:39 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment?Because a new 450 SM is $280. A perfectly good used radio is free for redeployment. We have a recovery list that the installers reference when they are in the area and swing by and pick up the radio and dish. We leave the mast and cable as it's now considered part of the house. It makes good business sense. Now 450b's can rot in hell as far as I care.?On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 11:25?AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:Nope.? It's just business.? Why spend a greater amount to pick up the equipment??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:44?PM David Hannum <dhan...@mynewera.net> wrote:Josh - I bet your nickname in school was Eeyore . . .??On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:00?PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:$25 for a radio for $10 in gas to pick it up, $10 dealing with the customer, $10 in caulk/silicon, $10 hearing them complain about nothing, $10 in labor costs, $1000 in lost revenue because you wasted time picking up a $25 radio instead of hooking up a new customer?On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 10:01?AM David Hannum <dhan...@mynewera.net> wrote:Like Adam, we keep tabs of where the gear is and when?we are in the area, we swing by and pick it up.? But not sure why you'd not want to rescue good radios.? Folks like Wireless Units and Surplus?Wireless will purchase it off you, so don't just arbitrarily?abandon it.? $25 (or whatever they give you) for a used SM is at least something for it.?Dave?On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 8:26?AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:About the same.? We kept a running list of "pickups" and it would be filler work for the field people. They'd remove the antenna and maybe the cable, but never worried about the POE.We usually got to them pretty quick because we left empty spaces in the schedule for service calls, and if there were no service calls we'd go do pickups.???On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 12:30?PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:We say: "we will grab it the next time we are in the area".?No special trip.?Jim???Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22+ 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone???-------- Original message --------From: Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> Date: 11/18/24 11:16 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] removal of WISP equipment ?We are starting to run into cases where customers cancel (most commonly to get T-Mobile Home Internet) and while the CPE is still perfectly functional we would not redeploy it.? Like a Cambium 450 SM with a reflector dish (as opposed to a 450b).? So we don?t want it back, and don?t want to send a tech out to remove it.?Sometimes customers insist they want us to take it off their house.? Is there some legal obligation for us to do this?? I think if you discontinue DISH or DirecTV and want the sat dish taken down, they don?t come do it (unless maybe you pay to have it done).-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- -- Sam LambieTaosnet Wireless Tech.575-758-7598 Officewww.Taosnet.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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