I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online. But it has to be
resistant to buying and selling votes.
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> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have already
> dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one can see
> who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to claim their
> vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results with your
> code. You can do the same without recording a name.
> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified, fairly
> quickly.
>
> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects are
> the best side effects.
> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be verified
> legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can be used
> to canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.
>
> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as is
> most of the left's mistakes
>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long time.
>> OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both
>>>> early and day-of. (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
>>>> verified by the voter) Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election. In
>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>> election, but it used paper ballots. Basically you filled out the same
>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box. That’s how
>>>> I voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting. I expected as the last step before
>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner. Instead I sealed it
>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required
>>>> to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before
>>>> they could start processing them. This was apparently also the case in
>>>> many battleground states. They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the
>>>> state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure
>>>> area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked
>>>> (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted
>>>> for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>>
>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Adam Moffett
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go. That
>>>> way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The whole punch card voting "system" was doomed from the beginning. I
>>>> remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago or so.
>>>> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
>>>> or hang on a corner.
>>>>
>>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill
>>>> in the square or the circle.
>>>>
>>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When
>>>> I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen
>>>> counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running
>>>> errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that)
>>>> took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of
>>>> dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop
>>>> boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee
>>>> ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3,
>>>> but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until
>>>> after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about
>>>> 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's
>>>> cushion.
>>>>
>>>> I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards.
>>>> Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand,
>>>> there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona. It’s a
>>>> Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the door when it helps me, close the door
>>>> when it helps the other guy.
>>>>
>>>> That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the
>>>> Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where
>>>> they thought it would help them. But also the votes had already been
>>>> counted (and recounted). And there was the original Florida Man, some guy
>>>> named Hanging Chad? And the phone call and the retraction.
>>>>
>>>> Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed. That does
>>>> not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.
>>>>
>>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>> In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a
>>>> decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The declaration that Biden has won is premature. This thing hasn't
>>>> really gotten started yet.
>>>>
>>>> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes good movie.
>>>>
>>>> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
>>>> which came soon enough.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>>>>
>>>> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Set
>>>> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
>>>> deciding who to elect as their representatives. Should it be Jimmy
>>>> Stewart the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader? The
>>>> old fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
>>>> Washington to represent you. Hah! Politicians are not held in great
>>>> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance. I assume
>>>> everyone has seen the movie. It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
>>>> shot it in B&W, but it’s a must see. Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
>>>> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
>>>> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>>>>
>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power
>>>> as Rhode Island.
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
>>>> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
>>>> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
>>>> with decisions we made about slaves.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have spoken.
>>>>
>>>> Righteous Indignation
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