Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so. Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill in the square or the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3, but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.

I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.

bp
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On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps the other guy.

That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0>

bp
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On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

    The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing
    hasn't really gotten started yet.

    Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

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    On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza
    <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

        Yes good movie.

        More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas,
        Lancaster...

        On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

            The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of
            political parties, which came soon enough.

            
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
            
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan>

            Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot
            Liberty Valance.  Set in the fading days of the old west
            with territories becoming states and deciding who to
            elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy
            Stewart the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw
            gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you sent the
            brightest and best educated person to Washington to
            represent you. Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
            esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty
            Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an
            old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B&W, but
            it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John
            Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond
            O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

            *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill
            Prince
            *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
            *To:* af@af.afmug.com
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

            The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before
            California existed.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
                <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise>

            bp

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            On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

                Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California has
                the same voice power as Rhode Island.

                    On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince
                    mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

                    

                    Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have
                    the silly Electoral College shenanigans; which
                    actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a
                    person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later
                    and we're still dealing with decisions we made
                    about slaves.

                    bp

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                    On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

                        We have spoken.

                        Righteous Indignation

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