In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet,
cart it down to the office, make an X with a tar
crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet cart to
have the vote count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Our county typically uses touchscreen machines
for in-person voting, both early and day-of. (A
paper tape record is also printed out and can be
verified by the voter) Obviously these are very
quick to process.
Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior
to the election. In addition, there was one
early voting site open 40 days prior to the
election, but it used paper ballots. Basically
you filled out the same form as a mail-in
ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.
That’s how I voted and I was disappointed that
was the process, I thought they would scan them
through a “tabulator” as the last step, just
like back when we used paper ballots for day-of
voting. I expected as the last step before
leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a
scanner. Instead I sealed it in an envelope and
dropped it in a box.
All the paper ballots including early in-person
and mail-in were required to sit in the locked
boxes until something like 7am on election day
before they could start processing them. This
was apparently also the case in many
battleground states. They weren’t even allowed
to open the envelopes, uncrease the forms, check
signatures, nothing.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
In our county (and I have no idea if this is the
norm in the rest of the state), they count them
as they come in, but hold the results in a
secure area until the close of the in-person
polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they were
mailed) up until the day of the election will be
accepted for a certain amount of time, but I
don't know how long that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system.
After we dropped our ballots off, we could go to
a ballot status web site that told us (1) if the
ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been
accepted. It took 48 hours for our ballots to
show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
had not been accepted, there is some sort of
mechanism to go fix that, but I've never had to
use it.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
*From:*Adam Moffett
*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
Scan them as they go, but don't publish the
ongoing count.
On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as
they arrive is the way to go. That way
when the polls close you have an
immediate count.
*From:*Bill Prince
*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..
The whole punch card voting "system"
was doomed from the beginning. I
remember using it when I lived in Santa
Clara County 30 years ago or so. Even
when you punched out a hole properly,
the chads would sometime stick or hang
on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been
using the paper ballots where you fill
in the square or the circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent
absentee for over a decade. When I voted
(almost a month ago now), we filled out
our ballots at the kitchen counter, and
took them to a drop box the next day
when we were running errands in town.
The actual act of "voting" (if you want
to call it that) took less than 1 minute
as we just dropped the ballots off at
one of dozens of drop boxes all over the
county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop
boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or
about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.
Pennsylvania still hasn't started
counting the late arrival absentee
ballots. All of the ones they've counted
so far arrived before November 3, but
for reasons I don't understand were not
allowed to be counted until after the
day-of voting. From the things I've
read, there are only about 85,000 of
them, and they are unlikely to do
anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform
voting/counting standards. Perhaps it
would be a violation of state's rights,
but on the other hand, there would be a
lot less confusion when the time for
voting comes around.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but
keep counting in Arizona. It’s a
Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the
door when it helps me, close the
door when it helps the other guy.
That’s probably why the Supremes
stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore,
the Gore camp wanted to keep looking
for errors but only in the counties
where they thought it would help
them. But also the votes had
already been counted (and
recounted). And there was the
original Florida Man, some guy named
Hanging Chad? And the phone call and
the retraction.
Democrats to this day take it as
gospel that Gore was robbed. That
does not bode well for half the
country moving on from this election.
*From:*AF
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020
12:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The
Silence is deafening..
In Michigan we're demanding a
recount. In Wisconsin we're
demanding a decount. In Georgia it's
opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
The declaration that Biden has
won is premature. This thing
hasn't really gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the
weekends.
--
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM
Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Yes good movie.
More akin to today is Seven
Days in May...March,
Douglas, Lancaster...
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM
Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
The Founding Fathers
didn’t account for the
rise of political
parties, which came soon
enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
Somehow I’m reminded of
the movie The Man Who
Shot Liberty Valance.
Set in the fading days
of the old west with
territories becoming
states and deciding who
to elect as their
representatives. Should
it be Jimmy Stewart the
righteous lawyer, or Lee
Marvin the outlaw gang
leader? The old
fashioned idea that you
sent the brightest and
best educated person to
Washington to represent
you. Hah! Politicians
are not held in great
esteem today, and we
would probably vote for
Liberty Valance. I
assume everyone has seen
the movie. It’s an old
John Ford western, in
fact he shot it in B&W,
but it’s a must see.
Look at the cast – Jimmy
Stewart, John Wayne, Lee
Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy
Devine, Edmond O’Brien,
John Caradine, Lee Van
Cleef.
*From:*AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday,
November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
OT: The Silence is
deafening..
The three-fifths
compromise was enacted
long before California
existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM,
Matt Hoppes wrote:
Uhhhh. No. The EC
was created so that
California has the
same voice power as
Rhode Island.
On Nov 7, 2020,
at 3:17 PM, Bill
Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
Could have been
over on Tuesday
if we didn't
have the silly
Electoral
College
shenanigans;
which actually
evolved from the
crazy slave is
3/5 of a person
nonsense. Here
we are ~~ 250
years later and
we're still
dealing with
decisions we
made about slaves.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 11/7/2020
11:15 AM, Jaime
Solorza wrote:
We have spoken.
Righteous
Indignation
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