Remember your Marlowe? Dr. Faustus' hubris sealed his eternal damnation to Hell.... Overweening Pride!
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > The only thing just getting started is the next level of FUD from the DUD > > On 11/9/20 5:51 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote: > > From Wikipedia: *The Gateway Pundit* is an American far-right > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(United_States)>[9] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-9> news and > opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, > and conspiracy theories > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories>.[17] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-17> > > If someone has credible evidence that would overturn the election, it > should absolutely be brought before the courts. At the moment, all of the > evidence seems to point to a fair election where Donald Trump lost by over > 4,000,000 votes. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:34 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Bullshit ..pure Bullshit >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> this thing is just getting started, gents. It's only Monday. >>> >>> >>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/ >>> >>> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden. The state is grey >>> on their map, now. Was Blue yesterday. >>> >>> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump. He's been an >>> excellent President for all Americans. >>> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have. For >>> years. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online. But it has to >>>> be resistant to buying and selling votes. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have >>>> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one >>>> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to >>>> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results >>>> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name. >>>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified, >>>> fairly quickly. >>>> >>>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects >>>> are the best side effects. >>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be >>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure >>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote >>>> accuracy. >>>> >>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as >>>> is most of the left's mistakes >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long >>>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue. >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the >>>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet >>>>> cart to have the vote count. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, >>>>>> both early and day-of. (A paper tape record is also printed out and can >>>>>> be >>>>>> verified by the voter) Obviously these are very quick to process. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election. In >>>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the >>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots. Basically you filled out the same >>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box. That’s >>>>>> how I >>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would >>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we >>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting. I expected as the last step before >>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner. Instead I sealed >>>>>> it >>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were >>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election >>>>>> day before they could start processing them. This was apparently also >>>>>> the >>>>>> case in many battleground states. They weren’t even allowed to open the >>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of >>>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a >>>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are >>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be >>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is. >>>>>> >>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our >>>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if >>>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48 >>>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots >>>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, >>>>>> but >>>>>> I've never had to use it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go. >>>>>> That way when the polls close you have an immediate count. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The whole punch card voting "system" was doomed from the beginning. >>>>>> I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago or >>>>>> so. >>>>>> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick >>>>>> or hang on a corner. >>>>>> >>>>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you >>>>>> fill in the square or the circle. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. >>>>>> When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the >>>>>> kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were >>>>>> running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call >>>>>> it >>>>>> that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one >>>>>> of >>>>>> dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop >>>>>> boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every >>>>>> 20,000 >>>>>> people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee >>>>>> ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November >>>>>> 3, >>>>>> but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until >>>>>> after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about >>>>>> 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's >>>>>> cushion. >>>>>> >>>>>> I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. >>>>>> Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, >>>>>> there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes >>>>>> around. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona. It’s a >>>>>> Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the door when it helps me, close the door >>>>>> when it helps the other guy. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, >>>>>> the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties >>>>>> where they thought it would help them. But also the votes had already >>>>>> been >>>>>> counted (and recounted). And there was the original Florida Man, some >>>>>> guy >>>>>> named Hanging Chad? And the phone call and the retraction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed. That >>>>>> does not bode well for half the country moving on from this election. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening.. >>>>>> >>>>>> In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a >>>>>> decount. In Georgia it's opposites day. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0 >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The declaration that Biden has won is premature. This thing hasn't >>>>>> really gotten started yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Judges don't hold court on the weekends. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza < >>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes good movie. >>>>>> >>>>>> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political >>>>>> parties, which came soon enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan >>>>>> >>>>>> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. >>>>>> Set in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states >>>>>> and >>>>>> deciding who to elect as their representatives. Should it be Jimmy >>>>>> Stewart >>>>>> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader? The old >>>>>> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to >>>>>> Washington to represent you. Hah! Politicians are not held in great >>>>>> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance. I assume >>>>>> everyone has seen the movie. It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he >>>>>> shot it in B&W, but it’s a must see. Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, >>>>>> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John >>>>>> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef. >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening.. >>>>>> >>>>>> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California >>>>>> existed. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice >>>>>> power as Rhode Island. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com >>>>>> <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral >>>>>> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 >>>>>> of >>>>>> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing >>>>>> with decisions we made about slaves. >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We have spoken. >>>>>> >>>>>> Righteous Indignation >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Lewis Bergman >>>>> 325-439-0533 Cell >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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