The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a
long time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
bp
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In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet cart to have the vote count.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
--Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both early and day-of. (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be verified by the voter) Obviously these are very quick to process.
Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election. In addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the election, but it used paper ballots. Basically you filled out the same form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box. That’s how I voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we used paper ballots for day-of voting. I expected as the last step before leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner. Instead I sealed it in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before they could start processing them. This was apparently also the case in many battleground states. They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
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In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48 hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never had to use it.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
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Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go. That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
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The whole punch card voting "system" was doomed from the beginning. I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago or so. Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill in the square or the circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.
Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3, but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona. It’s a Maxwell’s Demon approach. Open the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps the other guy.
That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they thought it would help them. But also the votes had already been counted (and recounted). And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging Chad? And the phone call and the retraction.
Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed. That does not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won is premature. This thing hasn't really gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes good movie.
More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, which came soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Set in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and deciding who to elect as their representatives. Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader? The old fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent you. Hah! Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance. I assume everyone has seen the movie. It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B&W, but it’s a must see. Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
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bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Uhhhh. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power as Rhode Island.
On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with decisions we made about slaves.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We have spoken.
Righteous Indignation
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